9/11 victims' names missing from federal death registry - - 9/11 Scholars Forum2024-03-28T09:45:41Zhttp://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/9-11-victims-names-missing-from-federal-death-registry?commentId=3488444%3AComment%3A40711&feed=yes&xn_auth=noDeath claims total number fil…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-11-06:3488444:Comment:415852011-11-06T07:22:19.645ZGina Juddhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/GinaJudd
<p>Death claims total number filed: 2,280</p>
<p>Total Awards: $5,996,261,002.08</p>
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<p>Profession:</p>
<p>Finance/Banking/Insurance/Accounting</p>
<p>Number of claims filed:</p>
<p>1,669</p>
<p>Total award: $4,099,933,810.82</p>
<p>Percentage: 68.37%</p>
<p><a href="http://www.justice.gov/final_report.pdf" target="_blank">Victims Compensation Report</a> page 112</p>
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<p>Death claims total number filed: 2,280</p>
<p>Total Awards: $5,996,261,002.08</p>
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<p>Profession:</p>
<p>Finance/Banking/Insurance/Accounting</p>
<p>Number of claims filed:</p>
<p>1,669</p>
<p>Total award: $4,099,933,810.82</p>
<p>Percentage: 68.37%</p>
<p><a href="http://www.justice.gov/final_report.pdf" target="_blank">Victims Compensation Report</a> page 112</p>
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<p> </p> I found probably 10 percent o…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-11-06:3488444:Comment:414872011-11-06T06:16:33.236ZGina Juddhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/GinaJudd
I found probably 10 percent of the names in the Social Security Death Index of those I looked up, I had looked up all the passengers on the planes. I've also researched victims that live near me, and one has no proof of birth or death. The "mother" of that victim is employed by a cable news channel. I think there was a lot of fraud. Considering that the highest percentage of those who supposedly died worked in the financial and insurance sectors, anything is possible.
I found probably 10 percent of the names in the Social Security Death Index of those I looked up, I had looked up all the passengers on the planes. I've also researched victims that live near me, and one has no proof of birth or death. The "mother" of that victim is employed by a cable news channel. I think there was a lot of fraud. Considering that the highest percentage of those who supposedly died worked in the financial and insurance sectors, anything is possible. It is quite possible that the…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-11-04:3488444:Comment:408212011-11-04T03:57:20.687ZJeannon Kraljhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/JeannonKralj
<p>It is quite possible that they could have inflated the numbers for your reasons stated. We have no bodily remains. We have almost no one who comes forward and says they lost a spouse or family member. The efforts of some to investigate the names given as those who died and almost always they get an immediate dead end in their investigations. There is a pdf file floating around on the web by someone with the handle "hoi polloi" who wrote a paper about "vicsims", that is , simulated…</p>
<p>It is quite possible that they could have inflated the numbers for your reasons stated. We have no bodily remains. We have almost no one who comes forward and says they lost a spouse or family member. The efforts of some to investigate the names given as those who died and almost always they get an immediate dead end in their investigations. There is a pdf file floating around on the web by someone with the handle "hoi polloi" who wrote a paper about "vicsims", that is , simulated victims. At first the paper seemed extremely far fetched, and it was to some extent as it claimed there were NO victims, but now I can see that the number and names of victims and their stories could easily have been manipulated.</p>
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<p>I have decided to post the pdf link to the file...</p>
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<p>VicSims911091709HoiPolloiPDF.pdf</p>
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<p align="left"><font face="TTE229A338t00" size="3"><font face="TTE229A338t00" size="3">our smell, our subtle mannerisms, our physical selves across the Internet. Still others are purposeful lies.</font></font></p>
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<p align="left"><font face="TTE229A338t00" size="3"><font face="TTE229A338t00" size="3">Simulation – using tools to claim presence where one is not – began a long time ago, with the invention of</font></font></p>
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<blockquote cite="http://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/9-11-victims-names-missing-from-federal-death-registry?commentId=3488444%3AComment%3A40711&xg_source=msg_com_forum#3488444Comment40711"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Could it be possible that it was a case of the more victims, the more Americans would never forget? Isn't that what keeps American's buying the official story and the images they saw on t.v. for months? The numbers of those who died? Maybe they stretched the numbers by about a 1000 or 1500.</div>
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</blockquote> Could it be possible that it…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-11-04:3488444:Comment:407112011-11-04T02:19:13.571ZGina Juddhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/GinaJudd
Could it be possible that it was a case of the more victims, the more Americans would never forget? Isn't that what keeps American's buying the official story and the images they saw on t.v. for months? The numbers of those who died? Maybe they stretched the numbers by about a 1000 or 1500.
Could it be possible that it was a case of the more victims, the more Americans would never forget? Isn't that what keeps American's buying the official story and the images they saw on t.v. for months? The numbers of those who died? Maybe they stretched the numbers by about a 1000 or 1500.