Collateral Lies - 9/11 Scholars Forum2024-03-29T11:26:29Zhttp://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/collateral-lies?feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes, please upload the videos…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2015-10-24:3488444:Comment:716452015-10-24T08:46:02.845ZDean Talboyshttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DeanTalboys
<p>Yes, please upload the videos. I have a copy if they disappear!</p>
<p>Yes, please upload the videos. I have a copy if they disappear!</p> Hi Dean - Would love to uploa…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2015-10-20:3488444:Comment:718512015-10-20T16:27:09.124ZShallel Octaviahttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/Shallel
<p>Hi Dean - Would love to upload these to the videos on our front page. If you want to do this, click "add content" and "video", and paste in the Url..</p>
<p> or I would be happy to do it. Let me know. This is a great area to research! Thanks.</p>
<p>Hi Dean - Would love to upload these to the videos on our front page. If you want to do this, click "add content" and "video", and paste in the Url..</p>
<p> or I would be happy to do it. Let me know. This is a great area to research! Thanks.</p> Shallel ... didn't even hear…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2015-10-08:3488444:Comment:714292015-10-08T16:51:48.122ZDean Talboyshttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DeanTalboys
<p><span>Shallel ... didn't even hear "alpha channel" before you mentioned it - well done - but since you did, and I live in Spain, and my kids have been raised here (so they speak perfect Spanish) this is what they can hear him say as he is filming:<br></br> <br></br> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Ai5TUEzyo" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Ai5TUEzyo</a></span></p>
<p><span lang="ES-TRAD" xml:lang="ES-TRAD">5:39 Tu tranquilo bueno que ahi en ese background que hay,…</span></p>
<p><span>Shallel ... didn't even hear "alpha channel" before you mentioned it - well done - but since you did, and I live in Spain, and my kids have been raised here (so they speak perfect Spanish) this is what they can hear him say as he is filming:<br/> <br/> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Ai5TUEzyo" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Ai5TUEzyo</a></span></p>
<p><span lang="ES-TRAD" xml:lang="ES-TRAD">5:39 Tu tranquilo bueno que ahi en ese background que hay, podemos ponerle algo</span></p>
<p><span lang="ES-TRAD" xml:lang="ES-TRAD">5:48 Y en medio de los edificios pone un alpha channel y despues ponemos un videoclip de izquierda a derecha</span></p>
<p><span>Together it translates literally as:</span></p>
<p><span>"You chill - well there in that background that's there we can put something and in the middle of the buildings put an alpha channel and then we put a video clip from left to right”</span></p>
<p><span>They was some discrepancy at the end after "videoclip" because of the accent, so my daughter asked someone she works with from Argentina who confirmed it. He also said the accent is Venezuelan.</span></p>
<p><span>Of course, it could be a voice-over, I mean, given the number of videos that appeared with sound enhancements it would not be the first. But that does not detract from the truth – here we have two separate filmmakers at the same location on the same day taking the same type of shot, some time (3 weeks) before the event. </span></p> Hi Dean -
Those videos wer…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2015-10-07:3488444:Comment:717622015-10-07T16:52:14.214ZShallel Octaviahttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/Shallel
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<p>Those videos were indeed creepy. Looks to me like scoping out some of the shots we "saw on TV".</p>
<p>I know what you mean about the hair standing up on your neck! Great find!</p>
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<p>At one point a voice is heard saying "this will be alpha channel" or something to that effect. Does this mean something to you? Perhaps a masking or keying term?? </p>
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<p>One thing that really freaked me out was the Muzak version of the Bee Gee's How…</p>
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<p>Those videos were indeed creepy. Looks to me like scoping out some of the shots we "saw on TV".</p>
<p>I know what you mean about the hair standing up on your neck! Great find!</p>
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<p>At one point a voice is heard saying "this will be alpha channel" or something to that effect. Does this mean something to you? Perhaps a masking or keying term?? </p>
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<p>One thing that really freaked me out was the Muzak version of the Bee Gee's How deep is your love?</p>
<p>Playing in the plaza in the foreshadowing video is the very same song playing in this video from the plaza after the first Tower got its hole and pieces were falling, and people climbing out windows, here, at about 3 minutes in. What are the chances of that?</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_8HEvE8k58" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_8HEvE8k58</a></p>
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<p>Much respect for your hard work. I have checked out your Great Pyramid work, since that has long been of interest to me, having followed the work of John West, Robert Schoch, and Chris Dunn for two decades. Your theory is most compelling. </p>
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<p>So great to have you aboard! This is the best discussion we've had in a while here.</p>
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<p>Thanks & Blessings,</p>
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<p>Sha</p>
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<p><cite> </cite></p> Hi Shallel. Sorry for not rep…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2015-10-06:3488444:Comment:717602015-10-06T18:30:27.312ZDean Talboyshttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DeanTalboys
<p>Hi Shallel. Sorry for not replying sooner. Tying up the loose ends of the movie was pretty difficult actually. It's one thing to write about a specific aspect and something else entirely trying to put yourself in the place of whoever orchestrated this charade. I had written quite a bit of the story when I discovered points other people had already commented on, so I haven't seen the dust cannons before, just guessed it would be a necessary part of the illusion. The real spooky "revelation"…</p>
<p>Hi Shallel. Sorry for not replying sooner. Tying up the loose ends of the movie was pretty difficult actually. It's one thing to write about a specific aspect and something else entirely trying to put yourself in the place of whoever orchestrated this charade. I had written quite a bit of the story when I discovered points other people had already commented on, so I haven't seen the dust cannons before, just guessed it would be a necessary part of the illusion. The real spooky "revelation" was the 911 "foreshadowing" tape <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpKn2au9KKI&list=PL-_fV4Z818iktOwKvXfWDb0jTcZlRLFbV" target="_blank">here</a>. It was obvious whoever planned the simulations would have needed to do a lot of reconnaissance beforehand, which I introduced into the story, so when I came across Alex Zuniga's video the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. In fact, they were so close to what I had proposed, I decided to use "Alex" as my "mystery man". Ace Baker has been fundamental in my understanding of what was capable with the software available at the time.</p>
<p>As for the Arabs, it was really difficult piecing together the data from the official reports to put into a cohesive storyline. My first literary work was about Stonehenge and my mate said the chapter on Neolithic Britain was so boring he nearly gave up. Like I said to him, "You had trouble reading it - imagine how f**king boring it was writing about it!"</p> I enjoyed this book - Concise…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2015-10-04:3488444:Comment:718452015-10-04T15:00:05.730ZShallel Octaviahttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/Shallel
<p>I enjoyed this book - Concise, compelling reading, sir. I have already recommended it to several people.</p>
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<p>Your "Novel" approach to the obvious video fakery of the planes was pretty</p>
<p>spot on in it's naming the News Media as a major conspirator, the shock (mass hysteria)</p>
<p>and the gullibility of the public raised on suspending disbelief and the exalted position they</p>
<p>give to anyone's head framed in a box. I'd like to see those very heads hanging from a…</p>
<p>I enjoyed this book - Concise, compelling reading, sir. I have already recommended it to several people.</p>
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<p>Your "Novel" approach to the obvious video fakery of the planes was pretty</p>
<p>spot on in it's naming the News Media as a major conspirator, the shock (mass hysteria)</p>
<p>and the gullibility of the public raised on suspending disbelief and the exalted position they</p>
<p>give to anyone's head framed in a box. I'd like to see those very heads hanging from a rope...</p>
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<p>I liked your scaling calculation: "A beer can is 2.6 inches wide or 1/76th the width of a Boeing fuselage but at 0.0047 inches the aluminium in the can is far too thick for our scaled-down model plane, which would have to be made from 0.0005 inch aluminium – basically oven foil."</p>
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<p>As an Engineer, I was less interested in the tale of the Arab Patsies, but it is important information and well told. </p>
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<p>I don't know that I exactly agree with the missile impact as you propose. There is evidence the wing marks were created by missiles: youtube.com/watch?v=E0Rf_sS42U8</p>
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<p>The dust/paper cannons are also discussed by yankee451 : <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoKiBn4tCNw" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoKiBn4tCNw</a> I do believe this to be one of many special effects used.</p>
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<p>He is trying to put together a Mythbusters type experiment to be proposed to the Energetic Materials Lab at New Mexico tech, using their rocket sled to crash a 767 wing into a WTC wall panel. Your scaling work would be helpful in leading up to the full size test. His site is <a href="http://yankee451.com" target="_blank">http://yankee451.com</a></p>
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<p>Have you seen Ace Baker's "Great American Psy-Opera? You might find it interesting.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmD5BDyMRkg&list=PLEA05F393EC843D80" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmD5BDyMRkg&list=PLEA05F393EC843D80</a></p>
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<p>Great comments, Danny, though I think Richard Hall is shunned by thermite sniffers, and is more associated with Dr. Wood and Andrew Johnson. </p>
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<p>I also believe radiation induced Human (& 9 million other species) extinction is our greatest problem. </p>
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<p>Best, </p>
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<p>Shallel</p> This is a very good point. I…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2015-10-04:3488444:Comment:715362015-10-04T14:27:43.536ZDanny Whitehttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DannyWhite
<p>This is a very good point. I've never joined Facebook because I've known for some time it is a Government operation, It seems to me it's only good for spying on people and stirring up shit in local neighborhoods. </p>
<p>This is a very good point. I've never joined Facebook because I've known for some time it is a Government operation, It seems to me it's only good for spying on people and stirring up shit in local neighborhoods. </p> Could not agree more. And don…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2015-10-04:3488444:Comment:717592015-10-04T09:44:17.915ZDean Talboyshttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DeanTalboys
<p>Could not agree more. And don't forget the use of social media in all this - the redistribution of unqualified stories to people who are willing to believe anything they read on Facebook. I left it behind some time ago when I realised how rude I had become in my response to some of the mind-numbing crap my friends were posting. </p>
<p>Could not agree more. And don't forget the use of social media in all this - the redistribution of unqualified stories to people who are willing to believe anything they read on Facebook. I left it behind some time ago when I realised how rude I had become in my response to some of the mind-numbing crap my friends were posting. </p> Again thanks Dean. If you wa…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2015-10-03:3488444:Comment:714242015-10-03T15:05:10.504ZDanny Whitehttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DannyWhite
<p>Again thanks Dean. If you want to see a bunch of hard headed impossible to convince thumb sitters you should try talking</p>
<p>to a few West Texans. It looks like everyone is trying to protect what few jobs there are, and are afraid to even listen to a</p>
<p>little logic. When they wake up and realize we don't have a Country left maybe they will listen. Your approach to breaking</p>
<p>through the roadblock of ignorance might work. This conspiracy is so unbelievable it takes years to…</p>
<p>Again thanks Dean. If you want to see a bunch of hard headed impossible to convince thumb sitters you should try talking</p>
<p>to a few West Texans. It looks like everyone is trying to protect what few jobs there are, and are afraid to even listen to a</p>
<p>little logic. When they wake up and realize we don't have a Country left maybe they will listen. Your approach to breaking</p>
<p>through the roadblock of ignorance might work. This conspiracy is so unbelievable it takes years to understand it all. I like</p>
<p>to try and keep it simple by pointing out the radioactive dust and the impossibility of a hollow aluminum beer can flying through a steel and concrete building. If soft aluminum planes can't fly through steel and concrete, the plane videos are</p>
<p>all fake as you know. My background was in electronics and TV broadcast. I remember the feeling I got the first time in a</p>
<p>TV studio and seeing the fakery involved. With the advent of video capable PCs we better get used to fake videos. It requires some common sense, logic, and critical thinking to realize when we are being lied to. We are going to have to keep it very simple to get through the heads of people who are not used</p>
<p>to thinking technically. All of us in the truth movement are trying to figure out how to wake people up. Our futures all</p>
<p>depend on it. With the possibility of radiation induced Human extinction on the horizon, we need some straight answers</p>
<p>from our governments very soon. I heard somewhere the other day that about half of the people in the United States are</p>
<p>afraid of their Government. How long will we be free if everyone cows down and does nothing? Good luck and thanks for</p>
<p>your input. ... ps I made a mistake on my last comment and said drug instead of dragged. Sorry ning wouldn't let me fix</p>
<p>it without changing the order of our posts. After all I am from Texas. We talk like that. Ha </p> Thank you Danny. I soon learn…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2015-10-03:3488444:Comment:717582015-10-03T11:15:56.098ZDean Talboyshttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DeanTalboys
<p>Thank you Danny. I soon learned how ignorant many of my friends were with regards to 9/11 and found it difficult to make my case during the many discussions I have had. So one of the things I have attempted to do is to provide analogies that can be understood by the non-tech reader who accepts first-hand what the media truthers say, like this widely peddled view that speed is a factor in determining physical hardness. If nothing else it should bring a smile to the face of people like…</p>
<p>Thank you Danny. I soon learned how ignorant many of my friends were with regards to 9/11 and found it difficult to make my case during the many discussions I have had. So one of the things I have attempted to do is to provide analogies that can be understood by the non-tech reader who accepts first-hand what the media truthers say, like this widely peddled view that speed is a factor in determining physical hardness. If nothing else it should bring a smile to the face of people like yourself who know better. I'm not a supporter of Hall but have him to thank for sparking my interest in the towers.</p>