HOW INDEED CAN NANOTHERMITE BE EXPLOSIVE? - 9/11 Scholars Forum2024-03-29T15:58:39Zhttp://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/how-indeed-can-nanothermite-be?xg_source=activity&id=3488444%3ATopic%3A24307&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYou are excused! You did not…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-09-05:3488444:Comment:344752011-09-05T18:01:01.630ZShallel Octaviahttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/Shallel
<p>You are excused! You did not disprove my admittedly tired argument, "where are the 200,000 tons of steel?"</p>
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<p>We are very tired of you using this forum to peddle your religious crap anyway. </p>
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<p>Best of Luck,</p>
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<p>Shallel*Octavia Sananda</p>
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<p>You are excused! You did not disprove my admittedly tired argument, "where are the 200,000 tons of steel?"</p>
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<p>We are very tired of you using this forum to peddle your religious crap anyway. </p>
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<p>Best of Luck,</p>
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<p>Shallel*Octavia Sananda</p>
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<p> </p> Same people with the same tir…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-09-03:3488444:Comment:341812011-09-03T22:12:09.668Zjane doehttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/janedoe
<p>Same people with the same tired non-arguments. Excuse me, the towers were gutted, prepped for demolition on 911 01. It was a plan by Strategic Communication Laboratories, London. Op Northwoods/Mongoose nixed by Kennedy for Cuba, recycled to use television instead of radio.</p>
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<p>Remember Orson Welles, <em>War of the World</em>? No. Theatre Arts 101 would have been a beneficial class for you. The rest of us took it for fun and a mick grade. It seems there are actually people like…</p>
<p>Same people with the same tired non-arguments. Excuse me, the towers were gutted, prepped for demolition on 911 01. It was a plan by Strategic Communication Laboratories, London. Op Northwoods/Mongoose nixed by Kennedy for Cuba, recycled to use television instead of radio.</p>
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<p>Remember Orson Welles, <em>War of the World</em>? No. Theatre Arts 101 would have been a beneficial class for you. The rest of us took it for fun and a mick grade. It seems there are actually people like you two, who have heard of Welles PUNK of the WORLD. If Welles were mean and a lucifierian as the U.S. ,govt is, he could have overtaken the world with his production. Instead, he admitted it was a PUNK.</p>
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<p>As for Bush Cheney et al. The STOLE money from the American people and the WORLD for their own aggrandizement: Death Hoax Fraud-$6 billion,, Real Estate Fraud-$7.2 billion, stock market manipulation and insider trading on American & United Put Options $2 billion worldwide, if not more, art market insurance fraud-$100 million. The insured artwork was removed from the towers before 911 & claimed as being lost, $100 million.</p>
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<p>My point of posting zip codes in NYC is that there are 176 zip codes in NYC. WTC was just one. Federal Reserve has its own zip code. Your arguments are weak and senseless. You are the only 2 people who post on this thread. I am done with this forum. Why would anyone want to pay to join a forum where the same people post all the time. I like Jim Fetzer, but to be honest, this forum is worthless. GOODbye, paid posting punks.</p> Did they remove the steel bef…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-09-03:3488444:Comment:342752011-09-03T16:26:40.581ZShallel Octaviahttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/Shallel
Did they remove the steel beforehand as well? Surely 200,000 tons of steel would amount to more than three stories.<br></br>
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<cite>jane doe said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/how-indeed-can-nanothermite-be?commentId=3488444%3AComment%3A34274&xg_source=activity#3488444Comment34175"><div><p><br></br>NYC has 176 zip codes.</p>
<div class="content" id="yui_3_3_0_1_1315030272671245">There are 41 <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1315030273_0">zip…</span></div>
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Did they remove the steel beforehand as well? Surely 200,000 tons of steel would amount to more than three stories.<br/>
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<cite>jane doe said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/how-indeed-can-nanothermite-be?commentId=3488444%3AComment%3A34274&xg_source=activity#3488444Comment34175"><div><p><br/>NYC has 176 zip codes.</p>
<div class="content" id="yui_3_3_0_1_1315030272671245">There are 41 <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1315030273_0">zip codes</span> in Manhattan, 37 in Brooklyn, 61 in Queens, 25 in the Bronx, and 12 on <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1315030273_1">Staten Island</span>, for a total of <strong>176 zip codes in New York City</strong>. <strong>One building in NYC has its own zip code : the <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1315030273_2">Federal Reserve Bank</span>, 33 Liberty Street, 10045.</strong> The World Trade Center had its own, as well, which is now inactive but reserved : 10048.</div>
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<div class="content">There are 8,210,000 people in NYC, There are over 19.3 million residents living in the entire state of New York. NY is the most densely populated city in the United States. It is also the number 1 market in the U.S.</div>
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<tbody><tr><th>World Trade Center Stats</th>
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<li><b>200,000 tons</b> of <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.infoplease.com/id/A0846593">steel</a></li>
<li><b>425,000 cubic yards</b> of <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.infoplease.com/id/A0813170">concrete</a></li>
<li><b>43,600</b> windows</li>
<li><b>12,000 miles</b> of electric cables</li>
<li>Had its <b>own zip code</b>, 10048</li>
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<div>You have noted 12,000 miles of electric cables, but there were no cables, office furniture, toilets, computers, copy machines in the less than 3 stories of debris on 911. WHY? BECAUSE the WTC TOWERS were GUTTED and prepped for demolition on 911.</div>
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You have noted 12,000 miles…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-09-03:3488444:Comment:342742011-09-03T11:47:34.775ZJeannon Kraljhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/JeannonKralj
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<div>You have noted 12,000 miles of electric cables, but there were no cables, office furniture, toilets, computers, copy machines in the less than 3 stories of debris on 911. WHY? BECAUSE the WTC TOWERS were GUTTED and prepped for demolition on 911."</div>
<div>I've narrowed it down to...</div>
<div><p><b><i>Argumentum ad ignorantiam</i></b></p>
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<p><b><i>Cum hoc ergo propter hoc</i></b></p>
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<p><b><i>Dicto…</i></b></p>
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<div>You have noted 12,000 miles of electric cables, but there were no cables, office furniture, toilets, computers, copy machines in the less than 3 stories of debris on 911. WHY? BECAUSE the WTC TOWERS were GUTTED and prepped for demolition on 911."</div>
<div>I've narrowed it down to...</div>
<div><p><b><i>Argumentum ad ignorantiam</i></b></p>
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<p><b><i>Cum hoc ergo propter hoc</i></b></p>
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<p><b><i>Dicto simpliciter</i></b></p>
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<p><b><i>Non Sequitur</i></b></p>
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<p><b><i>Petitio principia</i></b></p>
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</div> NYC has 176 zip codes.
There…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-09-03:3488444:Comment:341752011-09-03T06:21:07.807Zjane doehttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/janedoe
<p><br></br>NYC has 176 zip codes.</p>
<div class="content" id="yui_3_3_0_1_1315030272671245">There are 41 <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1315030273_0">zip codes</span> in Manhattan, 37 in Brooklyn, 61 in Queens, 25 in the Bronx, and 12 on <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1315030273_1">Staten Island</span>, for a total of <strong>176 zip codes in New York City</strong>. <strong>One building in NYC has its own zip code : the…</strong></div>
<p><br/>NYC has 176 zip codes.</p>
<div class="content" id="yui_3_3_0_1_1315030272671245">There are 41 <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1315030273_0">zip codes</span> in Manhattan, 37 in Brooklyn, 61 in Queens, 25 in the Bronx, and 12 on <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1315030273_1">Staten Island</span>, for a total of <strong>176 zip codes in New York City</strong>. <strong>One building in NYC has its own zip code : the <span class="yshortcuts cs4-visible" id="lw_1315030273_2">Federal Reserve Bank</span>, 33 Liberty Street, 10045.</strong> The World Trade Center had its own, as well, which is now inactive but reserved : 10048.</div>
<div class="content"></div>
<div class="content">There are 8,210,000 people in NYC, There are over 19.3 million residents living in the entire state of New York. NY is the most densely populated city in the United States. It is also the number 1 market in the U.S.</div>
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<blockquote><div><table cellspacing="0" class="specs">
<tbody><tr><th>World Trade Center Stats</th>
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<tr><td><ul>
<li><b>200,000 tons</b> of <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.infoplease.com/id/A0846593">steel</a></li>
<li><b>425,000 cubic yards</b> of <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.infoplease.com/id/A0813170">concrete</a></li>
<li><b>43,600</b> windows</li>
<li><b>12,000 miles</b> of electric cables</li>
<li>Had its <b>own zip code</b>, 10048</li>
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<div>You have noted 12,000 miles of electric cables, but there were no cables, office furniture, toilets, computers, copy machines in the less than 3 stories of debris on 911. WHY? BECAUSE the WTC TOWERS were GUTTED and prepped for demolition on 911.</div>
</blockquote> I have posted this video of t…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-09-03:3488444:Comment:341742011-09-03T06:09:30.690Zjane doehttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/janedoe
<p>I have posted this video of the sphere hitting the tower on David Icke forum. Although you can see the sphere on the original video that I have, in the transfer to youtube the video went down a generation, you can't see it in the video. I took the video apart frame by frame, enlarged 5 frames and circled the sphere. David Icke thread post is here:</p>
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<p>I have posted this video of the sphere hitting the tower on David Icke forum. Although you can see the sphere on the original video that I have, in the transfer to youtube the video went down a generation, you can't see it in the video. I took the video apart frame by frame, enlarged 5 frames and circled the sphere. David Icke thread post is here:</p>
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<p><a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060161270&postcount=672" class="yt" dir="ltr">http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060161270&postcount=672</a></p>
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<p>Thread: <a href="http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=133535&page=68">http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=133535&page=68</a></p>
<p><strong>The WTC was hollow, gutted before 9/11: no debris</strong></p> World Trade Center Stats
2…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-07-09:3488444:Comment:290832011-07-09T17:02:20.753ZShallel Octaviahttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/Shallel
<table cellspacing="0" class="specs">
<tbody><tr><th>World Trade Center Stats</th>
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<tr><td><ul>
<li><b>200,000 tons</b> of <a href="http://www.infoplease.com/id/A0846593" rel="nofollow">steel</a></li>
<li><b>425,000 cubic yards</b> of <a href="http://www.infoplease.com/id/A0813170" rel="nofollow">concrete</a></li>
<li><b>43,600</b> windows</li>
<li><b>12,000 miles</b> of electric cables</li>
<li>Had its <b>own zip code</b>, 10048…</li>
</ul>
</td>
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</tbody>
</table>
<table cellspacing="0" class="specs">
<tbody><tr><th>World Trade Center Stats</th>
</tr>
<tr><td><ul>
<li><b>200,000 tons</b> of <a href="http://www.infoplease.com/id/A0846593" rel="nofollow">steel</a></li>
<li><b>425,000 cubic yards</b> of <a href="http://www.infoplease.com/id/A0813170" rel="nofollow">concrete</a></li>
<li><b>43,600</b> windows</li>
<li><b>12,000 miles</b> of electric cables</li>
<li>Had its <b>own zip code</b>, 10048</li>
</ul>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<table cellspacing="0" class="specs">
<tbody><tr><th>Each Tower:</th>
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<li>Had <b>110 floors</b></li>
<li><b>208 ft</b> by <b>208 ft</b> at base</li>
<li>Weighed <b>500,000 tons</b></li>
<li><b>1,368 ft high</b> (north tower)</li>
<li><b>1,362 ft high</b> (south tower)</li>
<li>Contained <b>198 miles</b> of heating ducts</li>
<li><b>97 elevators</b> for passengers, 6 for freight</li>
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</table> Thanks for a great show and e…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-07-09:3488444:Comment:290822011-07-09T17:01:18.423ZShallel Octaviahttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/Shallel
<p>Thanks for a great show and excellent calculations!</p>
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<p>We are definitely left with an enormous energy deficit when considering any type of explosive. I have seen the rubble from demolitions, and it is not 60 micron powder. Please look at the notable lack of 200,000 tons of high grade steel that made building on this scale possible. Certainly 200,000 tons of steel alone would create a pile over 10 feet high, no?</p>
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<p>*Expose the "active thermitic scam"!*</p>
<p>Thanks for a great show and excellent calculations!</p>
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<p>We are definitely left with an enormous energy deficit when considering any type of explosive. I have seen the rubble from demolitions, and it is not 60 micron powder. Please look at the notable lack of 200,000 tons of high grade steel that made building on this scale possible. Certainly 200,000 tons of steel alone would create a pile over 10 feet high, no?</p>
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<p>*Expose the "active thermitic scam"!*</p> You are understanding my pres…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-07-07:3488444:Comment:283102011-07-07T16:32:40.690ZT Mark Hightowerhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/TMarkHightower
<p>You are understanding my presentation correctly. I have not yet found a way to estimate how much RDX would be needed to turn all the concrete to dust. I suspect that it would be a very large amount.</p>
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<p>The calculation where I assumed a relative effectiveness factor of 0.6 for the 895 m/s nanothermite in order to determine that it would take 2.7 times as much nanothermite than RDX, was very much a hypothetical exercise. It's like we know, that based on the low detonation…</p>
<p>You are understanding my presentation correctly. I have not yet found a way to estimate how much RDX would be needed to turn all the concrete to dust. I suspect that it would be a very large amount.</p>
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<p>The calculation where I assumed a relative effectiveness factor of 0.6 for the 895 m/s nanothermite in order to determine that it would take 2.7 times as much nanothermite than RDX, was very much a hypothetical exercise. It's like we know, that based on the low detonation velocity of 895 m/s for the nanothermite, that no amount of it would be able to cut the steel by means of shock wave effects (or any other effects), but let's pretend that it could do it, and assume a RE factor of 0.6 (very generous value) and then calculate how much it would take, just for the sake of illustration.</p>
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<p>By the way, a very interesting thing came up during the interview. I was commenting upon one of the references that Kevin Ryan cited, an article in Technology Review published by MIT of January 21, 2005, entitled "Military Reloads with Nanotech."</p>
<p><a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/14105/page1/" target="_blank">http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/14105/page1/</a></p>
<p>I noted that the article also referred to the application of nanotechnology to mini-nukes. I will paste below the paragraphs from the end of the article that refer to this.</p>
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<p>Nanotechnology "could completely change the face of weaponry," according to Andy Oppenheimer, a weapons expert with analyst firm and publisher Jane's Information Group. Oppenheimer says nations including the United States, Germany, and Russia are developing "mini-nuke" devices that use nanotechnology to create much smaller nuclear detonators.</p>
<p>Oppenheimer says the devices could fit inside a briefcase and would be powerful enough to destroy a building. Although the devices require nuclear materials, because of their small size "they blur the line with conventional weapons," Oppenheimer says.</p>
<p>The mini-nuke weapons are still in the research phase and may be surreptitiously funded since any form of nuclear proliferation is "politically contentious" because of the possibility that they could fall into the hands of terrorists, Oppenheimer says.</p>
<p>The creation of much smaller nuclear bombs adds new challenges to the effort to limit weapons of mass destruction, according to Oppenheimer.</p>
<p>"(The bombs) could blow open everything that is in place for arms control," Oppenheimer says. "Everything gets more dangerous."</p> Great Mark. I reviewed your p…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-07-07:3488444:Comment:289752011-07-07T15:51:12.390ZDr. J. P. Huberthttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DrJPHubert
<p>Great Mark. I reviewed your power point presentation and found it very interesting. I can't wait to listen to your interview with Dr. Fetzer. </p>
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<p>If I understand you correctly, you estimate that roughly 840,000 pounds of RDX would have been required to destroy one Twin Tower without reducing all of the concrete to dust. You are saying if I understand it correctly, that much more than that would have been required to turn all of the concrete to dust if it is possible at all with…</p>
<p>Great Mark. I reviewed your power point presentation and found it very interesting. I can't wait to listen to your interview with Dr. Fetzer. </p>
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<p>If I understand you correctly, you estimate that roughly 840,000 pounds of RDX would have been required to destroy one Twin Tower without reducing all of the concrete to dust. You are saying if I understand it correctly, that much more than that would have been required to turn all of the concrete to dust if it is possible at all with conventional explosives since your calculations did not assume the concrete was pulverized into dust powder. Do I have that correct?</p>
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<p>Are you saying that the observed explosive energy release up and out away from each Tower could have been caused by that amount of RDX or would it have required more since in a normal controlled (implosion type) demolition, this hurling of material up and out does not occur? I find it hard to believe that 850,000 pounds of RDX could have caused such explosive energy.</p>
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<p>As I understand your material, you believe that even a high explosive type nanothermite in the 850 m/s range could not have accomplished the observed destruction even if the larger amount of nanothermite (assuming an R.E. of 2.7 yields over 2, 295,000 pounds of nanothermite per Tower) was utilized.</p>
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<p>I think you have provided strong evidence that nanothermite was to a high degree of probability not involved a conclusion which agrees with the problems related to the chain of custody issues vis a vis the dust sample collection utilized in the Harrit et. al study.</p>
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<p>Thank you for your excellent work.</p>