How indisputable is the claim that thermite/nano-thermite was found in the WTC dust? Some Thoughts - 9/11 Scholars Forum2024-03-29T11:52:20Zhttp://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/how-indisputable-is-the-claim?feed=yes&xn_auth=noDr Hubert: The only COC dust…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-06-03:3488444:Comment:249902011-06-03T04:40:12.763ZDanny Whitehttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DannyWhite
<p>Dr Hubert: The only COC dust samples I've been able to find other than Dr Jones' samples ..... I don't see any mention of</p>
<p>red/gray chips or iron spheres tho. In the references at the end notice mention of carbon nanotubes, carbon nanoparticles,</p>
<p>and zero-valent iron nanoparticles ..... …</p>
<p>Dr Hubert: The only COC dust samples I've been able to find other than Dr Jones' samples ..... I don't see any mention of</p>
<p>red/gray chips or iron spheres tho. In the references at the end notice mention of carbon nanotubes, carbon nanoparticles,</p>
<p>and zero-valent iron nanoparticles ..... <a href="http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info:doi/10.1289/ehp.0901159" target="_blank">http://ehp03.niehs.nih.gov/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info:doi/10.1289/ehp.0901159</a></p> You could email Dr. Jones and…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-06-02:3488444:Comment:249852011-06-02T21:23:20.970ZChuck Boldwynhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/ChuckBoldwyn
<p>You could email Dr. Jones and ask him to produce the chain of custody and then post it for all of us to see. I believe he has already stated the chain of how he got the materials from multiple different individuals although I do not think he has posted the documents with signatures of the transactions, but he should have them, so just request them.</p>
<p>Their research said that at 425 degrees Celcius the thermate chips reacted violently or explosively.</p>
<p>You could request a video of…</p>
<p>You could email Dr. Jones and ask him to produce the chain of custody and then post it for all of us to see. I believe he has already stated the chain of how he got the materials from multiple different individuals although I do not think he has posted the documents with signatures of the transactions, but he should have them, so just request them.</p>
<p>Their research said that at 425 degrees Celcius the thermate chips reacted violently or explosively.</p>
<p>You could request a video of the heating of the thermate and the explosion that occurred to be posted on youtube. Maybe there is already one there or somewhere.</p>
<p>Everyone that analyzed the dust found the micro-spheres of iron, not spheres of steel. Maybe some carbon was left in the iron. Judy says the steel was dustified so steel dust must be in the dust, if not she is debunked and her hypothesis is desregarded.Analyze the paper to see if pure steel as dust was found. Request Dr. Jones to verify if steel dust was a part of the dust or not, but I think not from reading his paper.</p>
<p>Judy's hypothesis can be debunked on many accounts, easily, with a few tests on the dust and thermate and mininukes cac account for all of her anomalies, everything.</p>
<p>The dust samples are still available so other scientists can request samples to test, if they have the equipment to do so, so they would have to have access to industrial or academic labs with high level sophisticated equipment.</p>
<p>How explosive the thermate was should be clarified in terms of calories if energy produces per gram of material. You can request that information since they did the work and analysis.</p>
<p>Many pieces of evidence support that thermate was used prior the high explosives or mininukes finishing off the job. It was all designed to be deceptive and they succeeded in the deception until the "loose change" video and other exposed it all, at least to me, then all else was easy to prove providing one has a strong multidiscipline scientific background. And easy to prove from just understand free fall and resistance for the non scientist.....</p>
<p>The explosive nature of the thermate is the question that needs answering by Dr. Jones or his cosigners to his paper...</p>
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<p>Chuck Boldwyn</p> What you point out Jeannon is…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-06-02:3488444:Comment:253772011-06-02T16:45:02.929ZDr. J. P. Huberthttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DrJPHubert
<p>What you point out Jeannon is very true. I share your concerns re: Jones, Harrit and the other authors of the Harrit et. al paper.</p>
<p>I would be much more comfortable if the dust samples collected by the USGS on September 17-18 had been tested and found to contain thermite/nano-thermite particles. At that early stage, it would have been less likely that properly observed forensic custody issues would have arisen. As it is, a tremendous amount of assumptions are based upon evidence that…</p>
<p>What you point out Jeannon is very true. I share your concerns re: Jones, Harrit and the other authors of the Harrit et. al paper.</p>
<p>I would be much more comfortable if the dust samples collected by the USGS on September 17-18 had been tested and found to contain thermite/nano-thermite particles. At that early stage, it would have been less likely that properly observed forensic custody issues would have arisen. As it is, a tremendous amount of assumptions are based upon evidence that may not be solid. I don't know if the USGS still has any of their samples which theoretically could be tested for thermite/nano-thermite. Obvious political limitations might make doing so impossible even if dust samples still exist that can properly be accounted for.</p>
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<p>One of the classic characteristics of disinformation campaigns that follow High Cabal/Secret Team events is that the crime scenes are adulterated early on making it extremely difficult to ascertain what actually occurred and what should be characterized as authentic evidence and what is only disinformation. This of course is done purposedly by the conspirators. This was very evident in the JFK Assassination conspiracy and extensive cover-up which is being perpetuated to this very day.</p>
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<p>Another characteristic is that there is always a plan A, then plan B is implemented if too many people begin to question the plan A explanation, then plan C when plan B is questioned too successfully, and so on.</p>
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<p>It is clear that the same evolution is apparent with respect to the explanation(s) postulated for the destruction of the Twin Towers. When a gravitational collapse was proven to be impossible in the time alloted on the basis of known physical laws, various of alternative explanations began to be offered.</p>
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<p>I was unaware of what you report re: Dr. Frederick Whitehurst and the FBI crime lab.</p> As I understand it, there wer…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-06-02:3488444:Comment:255772011-06-02T16:01:13.979ZJeannon Kraljhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/JeannonKralj
<p>As I understand it, there were major questions about Dr. Jones' dust samples from the beginning.</p>
<p>They were not random samples. They were allegedly taken from the high rise apartment of a lady who saved some samples I think in plastic bags and also left the dust in her apartment undisturbed.</p>
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<p>Harrit just used Jones' dust samples. Octavia S. posted recently in another thread that Dr. Jones "paid Dr. Harrit to peer review Dr. Jones' study." The Journal that Harrit /…</p>
<p>As I understand it, there were major questions about Dr. Jones' dust samples from the beginning.</p>
<p>They were not random samples. They were allegedly taken from the high rise apartment of a lady who saved some samples I think in plastic bags and also left the dust in her apartment undisturbed.</p>
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<p>Harrit just used Jones' dust samples. Octavia S. posted recently in another thread that Dr. Jones "paid Dr. Harrit to peer review Dr. Jones' study." The Journal that Harrit / Jones study published in is what is called a "vanity journal" and the research authors pay $800 to have their study published.</p>
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<p>What does proper chain of custody look like? I served on a criminal jury one time and the defendant was caught via a sting operation. They explained the Police Dept.'s chain of custody of the "rocks" of crack cocaine obtained in the operation. I just thought that was a total joke and I told my fellow jurors that. I have already explained my bias against Dr. Jones and anything of his "research." So I do not think I would like to even hear Dr. Jones' proposition that he handled the dust samples properly.</p>
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<p>When I consider "EVIDENCE" from Ground Zero to be studied, I keep coming to the bottom line that the WHOLE 9-11 OPERATION was such a carefully crafted, multi-layered deception that we really cannot ever have a ligitimate study of legitimate evidence.</p>
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<p>Dr. Frederick Whitehurst was or maybe still is the head of the Federal FBI crime lab. He wrote a book and/or came out publicly about 12 years ago that the FBI crime lab is "manufacturing evidence", which may not be his exact term but very close.</p>
<p>If the FBI in their federal as well as their many U.S.-wide labs are manufacturing evidence, I think we can know that the same thing is happening at local law enforcement crime labs.</p>
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<p>And if research studies done by large well-known, well funded universities and research institutes are designing research studies in biased dishonest ways to "cook up" the results they want, AND THEY ARE, I just cannot envision an honest study of honest dust samples ever being done.</p>
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