Open Discussion

[James H. Fetzer]

Sandy has suggested that we have a space for open discussion of topics that may be off-topic. That's fine with me. Let's see if the "Discussion" option will serve that purpose. Please give it a shot. Jim

[James H. Fetzer]

Sandy, When you have trouble uploading, you might want to try another browser. I find one works if the other does not.

[Shallel Octavia]

Note to NSA: I am not an extremist, I only play one on TV.

[Thoth II]

History Channel: Propaganda central

Get this lineup on last Sunday on History Channel, back to back propoganda, probably gearing up for JFK anniversary:

"Investigating History": featured the fine work of Dave Mantik but then polluted it at end with half truths of Gary Mack
"Kennedy: Curse of Power" Curse? you mean JFK and RFK weren't deliberately taken out?
"The World Trade Center" : featured misleading graphics showing the core columns as flimsy whereas they are solid steel
"Countdown to Ground Zero": the official line
"The Man Who Predicted 9/11": more of the same
"Grounded on 9/11" : story of how FAA grounded flights. Why? there were no flights that crashed into buildings on 9/11!
"The 9/11 Conspiracy": now this stuff is getting into Gary Mack misleading BS country, now applied to 911
"Hotel G.Z." I couldn't stomach any more.

With above, parading under the banner of "history channel" , I think a case could be made by a scholar that the USA in the 21st century is now mislead by the greatest acts of propaganda in human history.

[sandy rose]

u.s. sitting in as 'observer' at International Criminal Court meetings! AH HA!
hi people. i've been getting ICC mail for years now, anyone can, and just received
a couple of lengthy e mails with a bunch of articles about the good old war criminal
u.s. being an OBSERVER to ICC goings on. this is one of the articles, i don't have
the time at the mo to read all of the articles but it would sound to me that their
trou are in somewhat of a bunch about the ICC so they want to stick their big nose
in and see what's happening, AND gee whiz, the u.s. is worried about the ICC's
concern about THE CRIME OF AGGRESSION. gee, i wonder why. hmmmmm.
http://www.undispatch.com/node/9157
the ICC has also been looking somewhat into "possible" war crimes in
Afghanistan so i imagine our good old war criminals may be getting a bit anxious,
ha ha ha.
[e-mail] will getcha regular ICC e mails for
anyone interested.
the above article link makes it sound like the u.s. might be wanting to play
nicely with the ICC now, but actually i think they're just worried and for good reason
and want to keep an eye on what's happening. ha ha ha.

[sandy rose]

more from ICC mail.
americans should be worried!

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=116552

[sandy rose]

hey! got this from CLG, wikileaks text messages from officials etc. on actual 9/11!
for anyone who has the patience/time to check them out. pass on to your people, people.
could get quite interesting tho tedious!

http://911.wikileaks.org/

[Thoth II]

The latest installment of HS that's appeared on the JFK front is from a Dartmouth computer science professor who says he's done a analysis of the Oswald backyard photo. that proves it wasn't fake. This stuff is unbelievable and reminds me of Dale Myers computer replication of the shooting in Dealey Plaza (yeah, right, a computer could simulate all those variables). I believe the HSCA photo committee (or at least people on that committee) proved 30 years ago that those backyard photos. were fakes from multiple indications.

Here is some recent track record of phony studies done by so called established academics: the old JAMA articles supporting the Warren Commission (and of course Humes and Boswell were still contending they were correct all along), the Purdue phony simulation of an airliner ploughing through the WTC, Myers and his phony recreations, Gary Mack's efforts at reproducing the SBT with dummies, and now this Dartmouth prof.

Where did academic integrity go?

[James H. Fetzer]

Good catch! Jim Marrs and I published "The Dartmouth JFK-Photo Fiasco" at OpEdNews, which you can access via google. Plus I have a new blog at http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com which includes it and other "false flag" studies. Jim

Thoth II said:

The latest installment of HS that's appeared on the JFK front is from a Dartmouth computer science professor who says he's done a analysis of the Oswald backyard photo. that proves it wasn't fake. This stuff is unbelievable and reminds me of Dale Myers computer replication of the shooting in Dealey Plaza (yeah, right, a computer could simulate all those variables). I believe the HSCA photo committee (or at least people on that committee) proved 30 years ago that those backyard photos. were fakes from multiple indications.

Here is some recent track record of phony studies done by so called established academics: the old JAMA articles supporting the Warren Commission (and of course Humes and Boswell were still contending they were correct all along), the Purdue phony simulation of an airliner ploughing through the WTC, Myers and his phony recreations, Gary Mack's efforts at reproducing the SBT with dummies, and now this Dartmouth prof.

Where did academic integrity go?

[Elaine O'Grady Moore]

Jack D. White said:

James H. Fetzer said:

Sandy, The way the forum is set-up, the links appear but are not active. They are important, nonetheless, since each of us can copy and paste them into the address box and thereby access the items linked. Keep up with your fine efforts! Jim

Jim...actually I posted some links below THAT DID WORK...here, I will do it again:

http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html

http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.htm

Jack

Not sure I'm using this 'reply' feature correctly.

Just wanted to comment on the aulis site. I've visited it before in a little bit of moon hoax research and find the conclusions spot-on and self-evident. The moon photography was totally fake.

One question occurs to me that must have an obvious answer. Radiation in space would seem to be a barrier to space travel. The Apollo mission states (I believe) that they used a regular camera and film. The film would have necessarily been subjected to deadly radiation. Wouldn't that have made photography impossible to begin with? Would like a reply from an expert.

[James H. Fetzer]

Yes, I've noticed that. I don't know why I wasn't doing it from the beginning, but most of those I post now also work.

[Elaine O'Grady Moore]

Wanted to add something on Bugliosi. I was fascinated by the Manson case, but years before I became suspicious of the media, I read his 'Helter Skelter'. I thought it was great but it left me with a nagging feeling that something was not quite right in the case and the resulting media circus. When I heard he wrote a book nailing Oswald as the lone shooter, I wrote him completely off. There's obviously some sort of agenda there.

Anyone interested in Manson might find Mae Brussells insights interesting. I think there was more to that case than meets the eye.

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mblinks.htm

[sandy rose]

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