Seeking Researchers For 9/11 Radar Study - 9/11 Scholars Forum2024-03-29T10:59:53Zhttp://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/seeking-researchers-for-9-11-radar-study?commentId=3488444%3AComment%3A38185&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI got the opposite response. …tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-10-26:3488444:Comment:392122011-10-26T03:09:05.279ZPsyhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/Psy297
<p><br></br><br></br>I got the opposite response. <br></br><br></br>Can ATC see the NORAD war games injects? Can NORAD see the ATC civilian traffic?<br></br><br></br>Thank you.<br></br><br></br><strong><span>The Answer:</span></strong></p>
<p><br></br><b><i><span>Yes, we see their SIM Targets. Even our training DYSIM lab is seamlessly integrated into our HOST Computer so we can even see our SIM Traffic that we use in training. When the military runs a SIM exercise we don't normally even know about them. On occasion when they want…</span></i></b></p>
<p><br/><br/>I got the opposite response. <br/><br/>Can ATC see the NORAD war games injects? Can NORAD see the ATC civilian traffic?<br/><br/>Thank you.<br/><br/><strong><span>The Answer:</span></strong></p>
<p><br/><b><i><span>Yes, we see their SIM Targets. Even our training DYSIM lab is seamlessly integrated into our HOST Computer so we can even see our SIM Traffic that we use in training. When the military runs a SIM exercise we don't normally even know about them. On occasion when they want to run an exercise and if one or two of the aircraft can't make it, they cancel the real exercise and run it as a SIM exercise instead.</span></i></b> <br/><br/><b><i><br/></i></b></p> For too long I have been hear…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-10-26:3488444:Comment:395872011-10-26T00:47:34.717ZDavid Colehttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DavidCole
<p>For too long I have been hearing the story about SIMS being injected onto the ATC screens and absolutely confounding the controllers. I have suspected for some time that this was not true, so I went looking for the evidence. <br></br><br></br>I couldn't find any in the audios and transcripts. I asked several people who are familiar with this and got varying answers, but usually they could not separate the NEADS controller from the FAA when making their points.<br></br><br></br>I finally went to an ATC who…</p>
<p>For too long I have been hearing the story about SIMS being injected onto the ATC screens and absolutely confounding the controllers. I have suspected for some time that this was not true, so I went looking for the evidence. <br/><br/>I couldn't find any in the audios and transcripts. I asked several people who are familiar with this and got varying answers, but usually they could not separate the NEADS controller from the FAA when making their points.<br/><br/>I finally went to an ATC who was on duty on 9/11. I have confirmed this answer with others, who concur. (I am not revealing the names because I have not asked for permission to use them.)<br/><br/>Here is my query and the answer.<br/><br/>This issue keeps coming up. Can ATC see the NORAD war games injects? Can NORAD see the ATC civilian traffic?<br/><br/>It seems to me that ATC has enough to deal with. It would be counterproductive for them to have to work around phantoms or ghosts or SIMS.<br/><br/>I have listened to many tapes and read many transcripts. I have heard no references to being confused by SIMS. The one audio we are all familiar with, I am nearly certain, was a NEADS audio telling them turn the SIMS off. But now this story has infected the thinking of anyone who considers ATC activity. Am I way off base here?<br/><br/>I would really appreciate a tutorial or link to learn what the separation between NORAD and ATC looks like.<br/><br/>Thank you very much.<br/><br/><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The Answer:</span></strong></p>
<p><br/> <b><i><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">We don't see their SIM Targets. Even our training DYSIM lab is completely tied off of our HOST Computer so we can't even see our SIM Traffic that we use in training. When the military runs a SIM exercise we don't normally even know about them. On occasion when they want to run an exercise and if one or two of the aircraft can't make it, they cancel the exercise and run it as a SIM exercise instead.</span></i></b> <br/><br/> <b><i><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">NORAD or EADS controllers are MRU controllers and are not ATC certified. Giant Killer Controllers from the Navy are certified ATC controllers. The USAF has ATC controllers but they work at regular ATC facilities. Shaw AFB, others like that. There are some Air National Guard units as well that operate as MRU controllers. MRU is Mobile Radar Controller. Prior to 1998 they were allowed to due certain air traffic control functions like Hand-offs which they no longer can make. So they don't really separate planes. They do what is called a Transfer of Flight Information which is similar to a hand-off but not a true hand-off. We separate from most Military airspace by 3 NM and by 500 feet below Flight Level 290 and above FL290 we use 1,000 feet.</span></i></b></p> nope, go ahead and delete as…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-10-21:3488444:Comment:390742011-10-21T09:11:08.576ZDennis Ciminohttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DennisCimino
nope, go ahead and delete as necessary. I am glad David Cole is here. he is going to be a good contributor, I know it. the data may be fakery by now but it only adds sauce to the goose if we don't spend five more years looking at it. I've seen enough fakery from the N.T.S.B. and F.A.A. and U.S. Federal Government to last many lifetimes. I'm pretty stocked up on 'fake bullshit for the morons' but there may be some diamonds in the rough.
nope, go ahead and delete as necessary. I am glad David Cole is here. he is going to be a good contributor, I know it. the data may be fakery by now but it only adds sauce to the goose if we don't spend five more years looking at it. I've seen enough fakery from the N.T.S.B. and F.A.A. and U.S. Federal Government to last many lifetimes. I'm pretty stocked up on 'fake bullshit for the morons' but there may be some diamonds in the rough. All, David Cole has initiated…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-10-20:3488444:Comment:387112011-10-20T15:21:52.502ZJames H. Fetzerhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/JamesHFetzer
<p>All, David Cole has initiated a thread about the radar data. Somehow, this business about the swaying towers has come into play. I would appreciate it if you could maintain some thread discipline and create a new tower-sway thread. He would like to keep this one focused on the radar data, which is appropriate. I have initiated a new thread about the sway. I plan to delete the duplicative posts in a day or so. If you want to save something, please do it.</p>
<p>All, David Cole has initiated a thread about the radar data. Somehow, this business about the swaying towers has come into play. I would appreciate it if you could maintain some thread discipline and create a new tower-sway thread. He would like to keep this one focused on the radar data, which is appropriate. I have initiated a new thread about the sway. I plan to delete the duplicative posts in a day or so. If you want to save something, please do it.</p> yeah, timing was everything t…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-10-20:3488444:Comment:383402011-10-20T05:53:00.394ZDennis Ciminohttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DennisCimino
<p>yeah, timing was everything that day (NOT!) for the stupid bastards who pulled this off whilst humming 'Hava Nagila' to themselves in those nice big tacamo chairs in the E-4B's that day. You'd think that they'd realize that seismic data was going ot show that explosions went off in the lower levels before any planes struck, and that people in the upper floors would be able to feel those reverberations all the way up in the upper floors before the pyrotechnics began up higher with the…</p>
<p>yeah, timing was everything that day (NOT!) for the stupid bastards who pulled this off whilst humming 'Hava Nagila' to themselves in those nice big tacamo chairs in the E-4B's that day. You'd think that they'd realize that seismic data was going ot show that explosions went off in the lower levels before any planes struck, and that people in the upper floors would be able to feel those reverberations all the way up in the upper floors before the pyrotechnics began up higher with the collisions, and then later, the demolition charges, whatever they were. but someone f'ed up with Bldg 7's triggering, and being they desperately needed to destroy evidence in vaults there, as well as bury evidence of a gold heist in progress there. you'd think these turd blossoms would have done a dry run first, with charges disconnected from the initiation electronics, just to make sure their radio control paths were clear and working from the detonation initiation points. unfortunately the Israeli's can't do anything right...taking them off the short list for 'master race' and putting them on a list of 'master baiters' perhaps, baiters of wars, baiters of financial woe, baiters of suffering and incredibly banal acts of incredible hubris and greed. they're masters allright, but certainly in a rather ignoble and arcane way! In any case the whole timing sctick was f'ed up beyond all belief, even the stupid BBC slut couldn't get her video cue'd right to announce the yet to have happened, Building 7 demolition. Those inbred piles of human HOUSE of WINDSOR waste in London sure blew it that day!</p>
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<p><br/><cite>Psy said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/seeking-researchers-for-9-11-radar-study?commentId=3488444%3AComment%3A38613&xg_source=msg_com_forum#3488444Comment38613"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>The difference matte study of tower sway is in Chapter 9.The tower certainly sways, but the question is when, exactly does it begin to sway.</p>
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<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://psy-opera.com" target="_blank">9/11 - The Great American Psy-Opera.</a></p>
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</blockquote> The difference matte study of…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-10-20:3488444:Comment:386132011-10-20T03:05:45.516ZPsyhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/Psy297
<p>The difference matte study of tower sway is in Chapter 9.The tower certainly sways, but the question is when, exactly does it begin to sway.</p>
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<p><a href="http://psy-opera.com" target="_blank">9/11 - The Great American Psy-Opera.</a></p>
<p>The difference matte study of tower sway is in Chapter 9.The tower certainly sways, but the question is when, exactly does it begin to sway.</p>
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<p><a href="http://psy-opera.com" target="_blank">9/11 - The Great American Psy-Opera.</a></p> actually it would make sense…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-10-20:3488444:Comment:387012011-10-20T01:11:11.010ZDennis Ciminohttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DennisCimino
<p>actually it would make sense that the towers would sway after impact, at least a small amount as they were flexible enough to move in the wind as they would have to be, so the assumption is that the imparted inertial mass of the 100 plus tons of airplane and fuel would make them at least do a couple iterations back and forth before they went back to a rest state? nobody really mentions the fact they felt the building sway, post crash, in either tower. I have a hard time buying the plane…</p>
<p>actually it would make sense that the towers would sway after impact, at least a small amount as they were flexible enough to move in the wind as they would have to be, so the assumption is that the imparted inertial mass of the 100 plus tons of airplane and fuel would make them at least do a couple iterations back and forth before they went back to a rest state? nobody really mentions the fact they felt the building sway, post crash, in either tower. I have a hard time buying the plane strikes wouldn't have done more than made a big bang. a nice low frequency wiggle to and fro would have ensued long enough to make people feel that and remember it. I felt the Sears Tower sway in the wind in Chicago, and didn't like that feeling much. Same with the stratosphere in vegas when the roller coaster twirled around on the top just above the bar and made the building shimmy. so we know newton's laws were still working in those two cases. the short duration impact moment at a height so far from the 'fulcrum' point (ground level or thereabouts) should have made those buildings do a wiggle back and forth, if not a twisting motion as well due to the offcenter hits they sustained. if anyone sees a single word from any of the people who got out to that effect, please post that here. but my guess is that at the very least, the buildings would have gone back and forth twice maybe and settled down again... anyway, as the planes seemed not to interract with the buildings much on impact but just sawed thru them like the buildings were made of silly putty, maybe nobody but the poor schmo's who were in those areas felt much of anything. Maybe Jim can ask William Rodriguez if he heard anything about that swaying business, he was way low in the building where the relative motion from the fulcrum point was not so great, but 80 floors up was another matter altogether. should have done some swaying...lots of force was transferred from a hurtling airplane to a stationary building. where did all that inertia go to? buildings don't just disssipate force like that without some form of low frequency resonance reaction going on.</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Shallel Octavia said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/seeking-researchers-for-9-11-radar-study?commentId=3488444%3AComment%3A38695&xg_source=msg_com_forum#3488444Comment38695"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Yes but more intergalactic; hope you're enjoying yourself!</p>
<p>Like minds think great.</p>
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<p>Could you link us to your work on the sway of the tower?</p>
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<p>Cheers!</p>
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</blockquote> PissyLeaks as I call them is…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-10-20:3488444:Comment:383392011-10-20T00:52:57.602ZDennis Ciminohttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DennisCimino
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PissyLeaks as I call them is a Julian 'Rothschilds' Assmange gig, where virtually nothing he has leaked has in any way dare point a finger towards Israel. Assmange has flung lots of dung far and wide, but if anyone thought he was truly a national security threat to the turds in power, (CIA) that they wouldn't have managed an 'unfortunate accident' for him by now, or a 'Obumma' drone strike by now? virtually all of the dung flung by mossad boy Assmange has miraculously kept Israel out of…
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PissyLeaks as I call them is a Julian 'Rothschilds' Assmange gig, where virtually nothing he has leaked has in any way dare point a finger towards Israel. Assmange has flung lots of dung far and wide, but if anyone thought he was truly a national security threat to the turds in power, (CIA) that they wouldn't have managed an 'unfortunate accident' for him by now, or a 'Obumma' drone strike by now? virtually all of the dung flung by mossad boy Assmange has miraculously kept Israel out of the shit storm. Most people might find that, uh, rather odd. :)<br/>
<cite>Psy said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/seeking-researchers-for-9-11-radar-study?commentId=3488444%3AComment%3A38338&xg_source=msg_com_forum#3488444Comment38338"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>This is quite like WIkileaks, isn't it?</p>
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</blockquote> Yes but more intergalactic; h…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-10-20:3488444:Comment:386952011-10-20T00:07:32.259ZShallel Octaviahttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/Shallel
<p>Yes but more intergalactic; hope you're enjoying yourself!</p>
<p>Like minds think great.</p>
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<p>Could you link us to your work on the sway of the tower?</p>
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<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>Yes but more intergalactic; hope you're enjoying yourself!</p>
<p>Like minds think great.</p>
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<p>Could you link us to your work on the sway of the tower?</p>
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<p>Cheers!</p> This is quite like WIkileaks,…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-10-19:3488444:Comment:383382011-10-19T23:58:01.819ZPsyhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/Psy297
<p>This is quite like WIkileaks, isn't it?</p>
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<p>This is quite like WIkileaks, isn't it?</p>
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