Comments - Ken Bell: Some of the implications of "There were no commercial planes on 9/11" - 9/11 Scholars Forum2024-03-28T23:13:36Zhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=3488444%3ABlogPost%3A3417&xn_auth=no."NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE OF DEB…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2009-10-22:3488444:Comment:38022009-10-22T01:15:36.000ZThoth IIhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/ThothII
."NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE OF DEBRIS FROM ANY OF THE 4 PLANES FROM ANY OF THE 4 LOCATIONS ON 9-11 HAS EVER BEEN TESTED, INPSECTED, ANALYZED, OR VERIFIED IN ANY WAY BY ANYONE AS HAVING COME FROM ANY OF THE SUPPOSED PLANES OF 9-11. Not one single piece. Why? Because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11"<br />
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I wonder if this ever happened in the history of air crashes, ever? I doubt it. This is strong indication that those planes hit nothing that day. Put that together with the fake videos…
."NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE OF DEBRIS FROM ANY OF THE 4 PLANES FROM ANY OF THE 4 LOCATIONS ON 9-11 HAS EVER BEEN TESTED, INPSECTED, ANALYZED, OR VERIFIED IN ANY WAY BY ANYONE AS HAVING COME FROM ANY OF THE SUPPOSED PLANES OF 9-11. Not one single piece. Why? Because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11"<br />
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I wonder if this ever happened in the history of air crashes, ever? I doubt it. This is strong indication that those planes hit nothing that day. Put that together with the fake videos purporting a plane to hit south tower, and the case against planes is probably getting settled down now. (I have no idea what did happen to those flights, maybe they never took off, or if some of them did, terrible things happened to the passengers, and it had nothing to do with crashing). Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:42:…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2009-10-21:3488444:Comment:37982009-10-21T17:35:14.000ZJames H. Fetzerhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/JamesHFetzer
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:42:39 -0400 [10:42:39 AM CDT]<br />
From: "Ken Bell"<br />
To: "Bruce Rideout" , "Jack & Sue White" , "Alex LLoyd"<br />
Cc: [Show addresses - 25 recipients]<br />
Subject: Re: Proof of Video Fakery<br />
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Please remove me from this thread!!!!!!!<br />
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Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. It was absolutely a plane, and Ill tell you why, says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural…
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:42:39 -0400 [10:42:39 AM CDT]<br />
From: "Ken Bell"<br />
To: "Bruce Rideout" , "Jack & Sue White" , "Alex LLoyd"<br />
Cc: [Show addresses - 25 recipients]<br />
Subject: Re: Proof of Video Fakery<br />
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Please remove me from this thread!!!!!!!<br />
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Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. It was absolutely a plane, and Ill tell you why, says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box. Kilsheimers eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?<br />
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Q: It was absolutely a plane, and Ill tell you why, says Kilsheimer<br />
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R: Why would anyone on the planet have to tell you why there was absolutely a plane??!!!! Because there is not nor has there ever been ANY verifiable wreckage from ANY of the 4 planes from 9-11 let alone Pentagon. Why TELL someone and just let them go over to any of the MILLIONS of pieces which can instantly verify a particular plane and allow ANYONE to verify the debris???!!! Because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.<br />
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Q: I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building.<br />
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R: Thats in direct contradiction to the USA Today witnesses who said the wings never impacted and simply folded back into the plane. According to their witnessing thats why no wings were ever found. Though according to Mr. Kilsheimer they made a mark and left NO wings?!! (A FIRST in aviation history!!! NO WING has ever been recovered from ANY of the 4 planes from ANY of the 4 locations on 9-11. A first in aviation history and it happened 4 times on 9-11?!!!)<br />
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Q: I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them.<br />
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R: Thats a felony. He is a reported blast expert not aviation crime scene investigator?!!!! He has just admitted to tampering, moving, and destroying evidence at the largest mass murder in US history?!!!!! It may have markings .though markings have never in aviation history verified a single plane. Only the serial numbers can verify the plane. LOW A BEHOLD .NONE of the supposed pieces and parts with markings have ANY serial numbers.?!!! Another first in aviation history and it happened 4 times on 9-11.<br />
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Q: I held in my hand the tail section of the plane<br />
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R: Unsure what to say? NO Tail section has ever been found in any way from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations on 9-11. How is he able to hold the 44ft tailsection of a 767 in his hands?!!!!!<br />
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Q: and I found the black box<br />
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R: Thats great. NONE of the black boxes, NONE of the voice data recorders, and NONE of the flight data recorders had SERIAL NUMBERS!!! NONE OF THEM! It is irrelevant what you found with regards to any black boxes on 911 ..NONE OF THEM HAD SERIAL NUMBERS?!!!!! That means these important parts are completely worthless and could never be used in a court of law. ps .its also the first time in aviation history in which ALL 3 boxes and recorders had no serial numbers and it happened FOUR TIMES in one day on 9-11. Another first in aviation history.<br />
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Q: Kilsheimers eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building.<br />
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R: Again that all sounds great .its just that .NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE OF DEBRIS FROM ANY OF THE 4 PLANES FROM ANY OF THE 4 LOCATIONS ON 9-11 HAS EVER BEEN TESTED, INPSECTED, ANALYZED, OR VERIFIED IN ANY WAY BY ANYONE AS HAVING COME FROM ANY OF THE SUPPOSED PLANES OF 9-11. Not one single piece. Why? Because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11. It was a lie to invade and maintain a never ending war while borrowing trillions for the ability to kill millions forever.<br />
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Q: Kilsheimer adds: I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?<br />
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R: Interesting statement. The okay at the end should pretty much tell you that not even he believes it. Though something else is much more disturbing with that sentence: I held parts of the uniforms . Notice how he says the uniforms as if somehow there were absolutely no bodies attached?! He then mentions parts as if those were somehow not attached to the uniforms?!!! How does a blast expert know the difference between military uniforms at the Pentagon and uniforms of flight crews?!!<br />
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If it was a crime scene as labeled by the FBI within seconds of the explosions, what is a blast expert from an engineering company doing on the scene!?!?!??!?!?! Labeling it a crime scene is what legally kept out the NTSB from going to any of the crash sites from 911. Keep in mind the NTSB only works from verifiable plane parts which is why they were allowed nowhere near any of the sites on 9-11.<br />
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There were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.<br />
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Ps .Kilsheimer has received $21,962,301 in DOD spending since 9/11!!!!!<br />
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KCE is on the list below. This list of perpetrators of 9-11 does not even include any media :<br />
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ACE Bermuda Insurance<br />
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AMEC Construction<br />
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AIG Insurance<br />
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Air Traffic Control System Command Center in Washington<br />
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Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue<br />
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Allianz Global Risks<br />
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American Airlines<br />
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American Concrete Institute<br />
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American Institute of Steel Construction<br />
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American Red Cross<br />
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Applied Biosystems Inc.<br />
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Applied Research Associates<br />
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Arlington County Emergency Medical Services<br />
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Arlington County Fire Department<br />
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Arlington County Sheriff's Department<br />
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Arlington VA Police Department<br />
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Armed Forces Institute of Pathology<br />
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Armed Forces Institute of Technology Federal Advisory Committee<br />
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ARUP USA<br />
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Atlantic Heydt Inc.<br />
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Bechtel<br />
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Berlin Fire Department<br />
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Big Apple Wrecking<br />
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Blanford & Co.<br />
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Bode Technology Group<br />
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Bovis Inc.<br />
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Building and Construction Trades Council<br />
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Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms<br />
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C-130H crew in D.C. & Shanksville<br />
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Cal Berkeley Engineering Dept.<br />
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California Incident Management Team<br />
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Carter Burgess Engineering<br />
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Celera Genomics<br />
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Centers for Disease Control<br />
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Central City Fire Department<br />
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Central Intelligence Agency<br />
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Cleveland Airport control tower<br />
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Columbia University Department of Civil Engineering and Engineering Mechanics<br />
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Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee<br />
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Consolidated Edison Company<br />
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Construction Technologies Laboratory<br />
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Controlled Demolitions Inc.<br />
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Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat<br />
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Counterterrorism and Security Group<br />
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CTL Engineering<br />
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D.H. Griffin Wrecking Co. Inc.<br />
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DeSimone Consulting Engineers<br />
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Dewhurst MacFarlane &Partners<br />
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DiSalvo Ericson Engineering<br />
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District of Columbia Fire & Rescue<br />
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DOD Honor Guard, Pentagon<br />
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D'Onofrio Construction<br />
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E-4B National Airborne Operations Center crews<br />
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Edwards and Kelcey Engineering<br />
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Engineering Systems, Inc.<br />
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Environmental protection Agency<br />
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Exponent Failure Analysis Associates<br />
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EYP Mission CriticalFacilities<br />
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Fairfax County Fire & Rescue<br />
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Falcon 20 crew in PA<br />
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Family members who received calls from victims on the planes<br />
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FBI Evidence Recovery Teams<br />
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Federal Aviation Administration<br />
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Federal Bureau of Investigation<br />
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Federal Emergency Management Agency<br />
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Federal Insurance Co.<br />
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FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams: Arizona Task Force 1, California Task Force 1, California Task Force 3, California Task Force 7, Colorado Task Force 1, Fairfax Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 2, Maryland Task Force 1, Massachusetts Task Force 1, Metro Dade/Miami, Nebraska Task Force 1, New Mexico Task Force 1, New York Task Force 1, Pennsylvania Task Force 1, Tennessee Task Force 1, Texas Task Force 1, Utah Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 2, Washington Task Force 1<br />
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FEMA Disaster Field Office<br />
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FEMA Emergency Response Team<br />
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FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Incident Support Team-Advanced 3<br />
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Fire Department of New York<br />
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Fort Myer Fire Department<br />
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French Urban Search & Rescue Task Force<br />
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Friedens Volunteer Fire Department<br />
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Gateway Demolition<br />
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Gene Code Forensics<br />
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Georgia Tech Engineering Dept.<br />
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Gilsanz Murray Steficek LLP<br />
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GMAC Financing<br />
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Goldstein Associates Consulting Engineers<br />
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Guy Nordenson Associates<br />
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HAKS Engineers<br />
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Hampton-Clarke Inc.<br />
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HHS National Medical Response Team<br />
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HLW International Engineering<br />
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Hooversville Rescue Squad.<br />
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Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department<br />
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Hoy Structural Services<br />
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Hughes Associates, Inc<br />
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Hugo Neu Schnitzer East<br />
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hundreds of ironworkers, some of whom built the WTC<br />
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Hundreds of New York City Police Department Detectives<br />
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Industrial Risk Insurers<br />
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Institute for Civil Infrastructure Systems<br />
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International Association of Fire Chiefs<br />
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International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 & 15<br />
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J.R. Harris & Company<br />
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Karl Koch Steel Consulting Inc.<br />
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KCE Structural Engineers<br />
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Koch Skanska<br />
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Koutsoubis, Alonso Associates<br />
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Laboratory Corp. of America<br />
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Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory<br />
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Leslie E. Robertson Associates<br />
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LIRo Engineering<br />
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Listie Volunteer Fire Company<br />
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Lockwood Consulting<br />
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M.G. McLaren Engineering<br />
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Masonry Society<br />
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Mazzocchi Wrecking Inc.<br />
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Metal Management Northeast<br />
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Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit<br />
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Miami-Dade Urban Search & Rescue<br />
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Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team<br />
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Montgomery County Fire & Rescue<br />
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Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers<br />
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Murray Engineering<br />
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Myriad Genetic Laboratories Inc.<br />
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National Center for Biotechnology Informatics<br />
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National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States<br />
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National Council of Structural Engineers Associations<br />
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National Disaster Medical System<br />
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National Emergency Numbering Association<br />
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National Fire Protection Association<br />
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National Guard in D.C., New York, and Pennsylvania<br />
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National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)<br />
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National Institutes of Health Human Genome Research Institute<br />
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National Law Enforcement and Security Institute<br />
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National Military Command Center<br />
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National Reconnaissance Office<br />
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National Response Center<br />
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National Science Foundation Division of Civil and Mechanical Systems<br />
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National Security Agency<br />
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National Transportation Safety Board<br />
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National Wrecking<br />
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Natural Hazards Research and Applications Information Center<br />
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New Jersey State Police<br />
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New York City Department of Buildings WTC Task Force<br />
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New York City Department of Design and Construction<br />
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New York City Department of Environmental Protection<br />
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New York City Office of Emergency Management<br />
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New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner<br />
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New York City Police Department Aviation Unit<br />
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New York City Police Department Emergency Services Unit<br />
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New York Daily News<br />
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New York Flight Control Center<br />
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New York Newsday<br />
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New York Port Authority Construction Board<br />
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New York Port Authority Police<br />
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New York State Emergency Management Office<br />
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New York State Police Forensic Services<br />
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New York Times<br />
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North American Aerospace Defense Command<br />
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Northeast Air Defense Sector Commanders and crew<br />
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Numerous bomb-sniffing dogs<br />
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Numerous Forensic Anthropologists<br />
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Numerous Forensic Dentists<br />
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Numerous Forensic Pathologists<br />
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Numerous Forensic Radiologists<br />
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NuStats<br />
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Occupational Safety and Health Administration<br />
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Office of Emergency Preparedness<br />
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Office of Strategic Services<br />
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Orchid Cellmark<br />
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Parsons Brinckerhoff Engineering<br />
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Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection<br />
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Pennsylvania Department of Health and Human Services<br />
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Pennsylvania Region 13 Metropolitan Medical Response Group<br />
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Pennsylvania State Funeral Directors Association<br />
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Pennsylvania State Police<br />
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Pentagon Defense Protective Service<br />
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Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team<br />
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Pentagon Medical Staff<br />
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Pentagon Renovation Team<br />
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Phillips & Jordan, Inc.<br />
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Port of New York and New Jersey Authority<br />
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Pro-Safety Services<br />
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Protec<br />
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Public Entity Risk Institute<br />
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Purdue University Engineering Dept.<br />
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Robert Silman Associates Structural Engineers<br />
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Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc<br />
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Rosenwasser/Grossman Consulting Engineers<br />
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Royal SunAlliance/Royal Indemnity<br />
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SACE Prime Power Assessment Teams<br />
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SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams<br />
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Salvation Army Disaster Services<br />
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several EPA Hazmat Teams<br />
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several FBI Hazmat Teams<br />
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several Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams<br />
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several Federal Disaster Mortuary (DMORT) Teams<br />
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Severud Associates Consulting Engineers<br />
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Shanksville Volunteer Fire Company<br />
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Silverstein Properties<br />
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Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Engineers<br />
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Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP<br />
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Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire<br />
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Society of Fire Protection Engineers<br />
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Somerset Ambulance Association<br />
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Somerset County Coroner's Office<br />
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Somerset County Emergency Management Agency<br />
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Somerset Volunteer Fire Department<br />
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St. Paul/Travelers Insurance<br />
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State of Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency<br />
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Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company<br />
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Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE)<br />
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Structural Engineers Association of New York<br />
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Superstructures Engineering<br />
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Swiss Re America Insurance<br />
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Telephone operators who took calls from passengers in the hijacked planes<br />
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Teng & Associates<br />
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Thornton-Tomasetti Group, Inc.<br />
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TIG Insurance<br />
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Tokio Marine & Fire<br />
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Transportation Safety Administration<br />
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Tully Construction<br />
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Twin City Fire Insurance<br />
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Tylk Gustafson Reckers Wilson Andrews Engineering<br />
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U.S. Army Corps of Engineers<br />
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Underwriters Laboratories<br />
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Union Wrecking<br />
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United Airlines<br />
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United States Air National Guard<br />
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United States Fire Administration<br />
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United States Secret Service<br />
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United Steelworkers of America<br />
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University of Sheffield Fire Engineering Research<br />
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US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County<br />
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US Armys Communications-Electronics Command<br />
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US Department of Defense<br />
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US Department of Justice<br />
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US Department of State<br />
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Virginia Beach Fire Department<br />
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Virginia Department of Emergency Management<br />
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Virginia State Police<br />
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Vollmer Associates Engineers<br />
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Washington Post<br />
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Weeks Marine<br />
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Weidlinger Associates<br />
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Weiskopf & Pickworth Engineering<br />
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Westmoreland County Emergency Management Agency<br />
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Whitney Contracting<br />
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Willis Group Holdings<br />
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WJE Structural Engineers<br />
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Worcester Polytechnic Institute<br />
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World Trade Center security staff<br />
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XL Insurance<br />
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Yonkers Contracting<br />
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York International<br />
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Zurich Financial<br />
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Zurich Re Risk Engineering