Comments - Flight Data Expert Confirmation: No Evidence Linking FDR Data to American 77 - 9/11 Scholars Forum2024-03-29T05:13:31Zhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=3488444%3ABlogPost%3A9993&xn_auth=noJim, The main question is not…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-01-23:3488444:Comment:100602011-01-23T19:26:23.000ZMehmet Inanhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/MehmetInan
<p>Jim, The main question is not erasing my membership or not.</p>
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<p>The main and the most important question that you must answer is: Should you continue to support disinformation or not? In other words: Should you continue to be part of too many disinfo groups and collaborate with people who are protecting the perpetrators of the strikes of 9/11, and finally be also complicit of these perpetrators?</p>
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<p>You may be aware or not, but that's the true question asked for too…</p>
<p>Jim, The main question is not erasing my membership or not.</p>
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<p>The main and the most important question that you must answer is: Should you continue to support disinformation or not? In other words: Should you continue to be part of too many disinfo groups and collaborate with people who are protecting the perpetrators of the strikes of 9/11, and finally be also complicit of these perpetrators?</p>
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<p>You may be aware or not, but that's the true question asked for too many people who are leading many web groups.</p>
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<p>About "Pilots for 9/11 truth" at the beginning, I told them that the damages inside and outside of the Pentagon are consistent with a plane coming at 52° to the facade and having about 95ft wingspan. As the released FDR stops seconds before the impact and makes the plane approach almost perpendicular (90° instead of 52°) to the facade, that FDR could not be the real one which was in the B757 of AA77. The question is so simple. Their only answer was erasing my membership.</p>
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<p>In the following months, they produced videos of eyewitnesses claiming the plane was coming perpendicular to the facade, from north of cisco station. That was also disinfo. Simple lying people.</p>
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<p>That was 4 years ago! During 4 years you, yes Jim, you, you supported and propagated the claims of such disinfo people. Weren't you able to understand that they were disinfo? Or are you leaking professionalism? Or are you believing them too much easily? Even after 4 years, it could be natural that you were unable to evaluate their claims and you supported them. They were pilots, and you just believed them. In that case, you are not responsible of their disinfo. But today, if you still support them, as many others, you are becoming responsible.</p>
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<p>You have to choose Jim: Will you become more professional and more sicnere and more honest and so before supporting any theory you'll check all evidence that explain it. Or will you simply erase my membership and definitely prove your alliance with the disinfo and the protection of the perpetrators of the strikes of 9/11/2001.</p> Mahmet, Are you inviting me t…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-01-23:3488444:Comment:100572011-01-23T17:53:20.000ZJames H. Fetzerhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/JamesHFetzer
<p>Mahmet, Are you inviting me to give you the boot? Pilots for 9/11 Truth is one of the most responsible of the</p>
<p>9/11 organizations. Your posts about them and (implicitly) about me are completely ridiculous and off-base.</p>
<p>Mahmet, Are you inviting me to give you the boot? Pilots for 9/11 Truth is one of the most responsible of the</p>
<p>9/11 organizations. Your posts about them and (implicitly) about me are completely ridiculous and off-base.</p> Shallel,
FOIA or not, pilots…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-01-23:3488444:Comment:100542011-01-23T17:24:43.000ZMehmet Inanhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/MehmetInan
<p>Shallel,</p>
<p>FOIA or not, pilots or not, this false information is useless. It was just time waste during 4 years since pilots for 911 was created. And on basis of this false FDR they also produced false eyewitnesses testimonies. All were only to create more confusion. But that does not work with me. Since the beginning, after some days of investigation, it was celear that FDR and pilots were disinfo. That conclusion just confirmed my initial conclusion.</p>
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<p>I know that FDR…</p>
<p>Shallel,</p>
<p>FOIA or not, pilots or not, this false information is useless. It was just time waste during 4 years since pilots for 911 was created. And on basis of this false FDR they also produced false eyewitnesses testimonies. All were only to create more confusion. But that does not work with me. Since the beginning, after some days of investigation, it was celear that FDR and pilots were disinfo. That conclusion just confirmed my initial conclusion.</p>
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<p>I know that FDR does not match with the official report. I know that official reports are false in their major key theories and I finger pointed most of these false theories in my web site <a href="http://www.peace911.org">www.peace911.org</a> .</p>
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<p>Before claiming that "I proved nothing", you need to be able to debunk my work in my web site. That's the only thing I need to prove. I wont waste my time with proving, reproving, and reproving all disinfo theories propagated by too many false truthers, including some so called scholars.</p>
<p> </p> Pilots obtained the data thro…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-01-21:3488444:Comment:100102011-01-21T19:52:41.000ZShallel Octaviahttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/Shallel
<p>Pilots obtained the data through FOIA, so you wouldn't even know about this data if it were not for their work.</p>
<p>They maintain that the data DOES NOT MATCH the official report. Pilots have my full support.</p>
<p>You have never proven anything to me let alone that Pilots is disinfo. I support researching relevant data, and seeing what it tells us. You pick and choose the data points that you want to see, Mehmet, and that is the antithesis of science.</p>
<p>Pilots obtained the data through FOIA, so you wouldn't even know about this data if it were not for their work.</p>
<p>They maintain that the data DOES NOT MATCH the official report. Pilots have my full support.</p>
<p>You have never proven anything to me let alone that Pilots is disinfo. I support researching relevant data, and seeing what it tells us. You pick and choose the data points that you want to see, Mehmet, and that is the antithesis of science.</p> Mahmet,
Pilots was given th…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-01-20:3488444:Comment:100022011-01-20T23:20:37.000ZJames H. Fetzerhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/JamesHFetzer
<div class="description xj_comment_editor" id="desc_3488444Comment9999"><p>Mahmet,</p>
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<p>Pilots was given the data by the NTSB as having come from Flight 77. You need to give more thought to your posts. What is unforgivable is not my support for Pilots but your misguided attacks on those who seek truth.</p>
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<p>Pilots was given the data by the NTSB as having come from Flight 77. You need to give more thought to your posts. What is unforgivable is not my support for Pilots but your misguided attacks on those who seek truth.</p>
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<p>Jim</p>
</div> I am sure from watching the t…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-01-20:3488444:Comment:99972011-01-20T22:59:48.000ZThoth IIhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/ThothII
I am sure from watching the testimonies of April Gallop plus Jamie McIntyrie, plus photos I've seen of Pentagon now, that no big Boeing could have possibly hit that building. The lawn is clear and April says she literal crawled out the hole and saw no debris. If any Boeing of any kind , or I would contend any type of plane hit that building, even if rigged with explosives, the debris would have been very obvious to all. So logical I conclude that either a torpedo hit the Pentagon or more…
I am sure from watching the testimonies of April Gallop plus Jamie McIntyrie, plus photos I've seen of Pentagon now, that no big Boeing could have possibly hit that building. The lawn is clear and April says she literal crawled out the hole and saw no debris. If any Boeing of any kind , or I would contend any type of plane hit that building, even if rigged with explosives, the debris would have been very obvious to all. So logical I conclude that either a torpedo hit the Pentagon or more likely , like all the other events of that day, it was merely explosives. Jim,
Since the first time t…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2011-01-20:3488444:Comment:99952011-01-20T22:41:02.000ZMehmet Inanhttp://911scholars.ning.com/profile/MehmetInan
<p>Jim,</p>
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<p>Since the first time that FDR data has been released, I always told that this is a fake FDR, not related to AA77 not also related to the Pentagon strike. Just on basis of the available evidence. Why pilots for 911 harrassed us with that fake FDR since several years? Were they unable to make an easy check on that FDR? Or they just published during several years false information to create disinformation?</p>
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<p>That proves pilots for 911 truth is disinfo. And…</p>
<p>Jim,</p>
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<p>Since the first time that FDR data has been released, I always told that this is a fake FDR, not related to AA77 not also related to the Pentagon strike. Just on basis of the available evidence. Why pilots for 911 harrassed us with that fake FDR since several years? Were they unable to make an easy check on that FDR? Or they just published during several years false information to create disinformation?</p>
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<p>That proves pilots for 911 truth is disinfo. And you, Jim, you supported them during several years. For a scholar leader, this is unforgivable. And you continue your support for all kind of fake theories!</p>
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