Open Discussion

[James H. Fetzer]

Sandy has suggested that we have a space for open discussion of topics that may be off-topic. That's fine with me. Let's see if the "Discussion" option will serve that purpose. Please give it a shot. Jim

[Jeannon Kralj]

"If you are really opposed to war, don't vote."

 

Yes, I am opposed to war and yes, not voting is a good way to affirm that, however, I am not voting because I believe if enough people refrain from voting, it will send a clear message that we think the entire electoral process is a huge set-up and manipulation and all of our "choices" are equally evil.

 

Also, we should in every way possible tell the truth to young people and encourage them not to ever enlist in the military and not to work for the mercenaries.  Shun and ostracize all who support the military.  War is a racket.

 

"You give me a couple of election commissioners and I'll make those lever machines sing Home Sweet Home."

 Huey P. Long, circa 1931

[Thoth II]

right, and I tell the young all the time to not lie down with the corporate snake or it'll bite them and their grandchildren.; i tell them not to buy its products or work for its slave wages, I tell them to reinvent the world with organic productions like the indians had.

The media, govt., are just whores of the corporate elite, banksters, zionists, and royalty.  

[sandy rose]

dick cheney gets new heart.

 

    we never knew he had one to begin with.,..

[sandy rose]

high, people, and regular commisserations on this uh day.

     i got this from bud Kevin Barrett, love ya, Kev, and thought i would

share here since he mentioned nine elevendy and all.  thanks, Kev!!!!@

 

would love to see Kev show up here on this group.  a credit to our ranks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Greetings,

 

I'm now a staff writer at Press TV as well as Veterans Today. I think my first three Press TV articles put me neck-and-neck with Paul Craig Roberts as the most subversive op-ed writer working in English. See if you don't agree: http://www.presstv.ir/Contributors/247897.html

 

My radio show has recently featured discussions about the future of 9/11 truth with Adam Syed, Eric Sayward of We Are Change, Sander Hicks, and Mark Gaffney; John Bursill and James Hufferd will soon present competing views.  Wayne Madsen recently explained why Obama is our first CIA-manufactured-and-inserted "president." And Islamic scholar and 9/11 truth advocate Imran Hosein, and "Mad Pride" advocate Dr. Seth Farber, are coming up… Details: http://www.TruthJihadRadio.blogspot.com

 

Note: Sander Hicks will be speaking in Madison, WI on August 1st…details forthcoming.  His national tour dates: http://sanderhicks.com/tourdates.html

 

Happy Independence Day if you want it!

 

Be well,

 

Kevin Barrett

 

 

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/07/04/249258/occupied-us-celebrates-independence-day/

 

Occupied US celebrates Independence Day

Statue of Liberty in New York

Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:42AM GMT

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By Kevin Barrett

 

On July 4th, Americans celebrate their nation's independence. But today, July 4th, 2012, the USA is no longer a free and independent nation.

The USA today is occupied by an array of hostile forces even more nefarious than the British crown.

We are occupied by the Zionists, who control the media, Congress, and the White House. Our top layers of government are infested by US-Israeli dual citizens. They cannot be accused of dual loyalties, since it is so obvious where their one and only loyalty really lies.

We are occupied by the banksters, who have squeezed more than 20 trillion dollars in bailouts out of our economy during the past four years, paving Wall Street with gold and leaving Main Street on life-support.

We are occupied by the military-industrial complex and its police state, which has murdered our greatest leaders, and with them our democracy.

We are occupied by the 1%, the super-rich who have seized power and re-written the rules in order to make their lives easier, and ours more difficult.

We are occupied by the biggest corporations, which have assumed total control of our political process via last year's Citizens United case.

Two hundred thirty-six years ago, the USA's Founding Fathers wrote:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government…

Could it be any more obvious that the US government today is "destructive of these ends"?

Think about it.

"All men are created equal." Yet today, a child born in the USA to poor parents has no rights at all, and little hope for the future; while the President of the USA claims the right to extra-judicially kidnap, torture, and/or assassinate anyone he wishes. Poor kids are used as sex slaves by a pedophile ring that includes the top of the CIA, FBI, Executive Branch, The New York Times, Washington Post, and just about every other major institution, while bankster kids get million-dollar trust funds. (For details on the USA's pedophile elite, read Nick Bryant's The Franklin Scandal.) And while the 99% struggles, the 1% struggles to figure out what to do with all their money. You call that equality?

"Endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights…" Yet today, the US government says its citizens have no rights whatsoever; anyone can be assassinated at any time by order of the President and his Murder Committee, without any judicial process. The rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights are dead letters in the post-9/11 USA.

"Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." The US government says it can take away citizens' lives and liberty any time, for any reason, without any explanation. Just call that citizen a "terror suspect." And as for the "pursuit of happiness," the 99 percent gets poorer every day, while the 1% gets richer.

"Deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…" In today's USA, there is no longer any consent of the governed. Black-box voting machines determine the outcome of rigged elections. Every president since Bush I has been CIA, and appointed by the CIA. The population is poisoned with fluoride in the water, heavy metals and polymer fibers in the air, corn syrup and GMOs in the food, mercury in the vaccines, and toxic lies in the media. There is more consent of the governed in Orwell's fictional 1984 than in the real 2012 USA.

And to top it off, it was the highest officials of our own government, along with Israelis, who murdered 3,000 of us on 9/11 in order to murder millions more in unnecessary wars abroad and establish a police state at home.

As the Founders wrote: "Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government…"

Can anyone seriously doubt that the Second American Revolution is long overdue?

Today, let us declare our independence from international Zionism and its criminal headquarters, the so-called State of Israel, by arresting the unregistered agents of that foreign power, including all politicians who have taken even one penny from AIPAC.

Let us declare our independence from the banksters by arresting them for fraud (a.k.a. “fractional reserve lending”), re-criminalizing usury, and making banks public utilities rather than private parasites.

Let us declare our independence from the military-industrial complex by completely ending secrecy, publishing all “national security secrets” on the internet, arresting the 9/11 perpetrators and cover-up facilitators, and reducing the military budget by 99% as we return to a defend-the-borders posture.

Let us declare our independence from the super-rich by pillaging them until they are no longer super-rich, and then creating a system under which extreme inequality can never again arise.

Let us declare our independence from corporate slavery by abolishing corporate personhood, busting up all big corporations, and re-writing the rules to favor small enterprises and hinder large ones.

These changes would amount to a Second American Revolution that would fulfill the promises of the first.

The wisest of the Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, said: “Every generation needs a new revolution.”

It has been a little over ten generations since the last American Revolution. The next one will happen as soon as the American people realize what has been done to them - and that it doesn't have to be that way.

 

Kevin Barrett

Staff Writer, VeteransToday: http://www.veteranstoday.com/author/barrett/      PressTV.com:  

http://www.presstv.ir/Contributors/247897.html

Radio Journalist, AmericanFreedomRadio.com, NoLiesRadio.org

Website: www.TruthJihad.com

[Ralph Cinque]

I invite the members to look at a new site relating to JFK Truth, which I consider a sister movement to 9/11 Truth. It is called the Oswald Innocence Project, and it concerns the evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald was standing outside watching during the assassination of President Kennedy. Please visit the Oswald Innocence Project for definitive information.

 

www.oswald-innocent.com

 

Thank you. Ralph Cinque, founder OIP