Exposing Falsehoods and Revealing Truths
I am looking for researchers to study newly acquired 9/11 radar records.
This team will consist of Air Traffic Controllers, Radar software technicians, Pilots and others with skills necessary to understand the FAA and NTSB records obtained through the Freedom of Information Act.
PM me and tell me a bit about your interest and qualifications.
All, David Cole has initiated a thread about the radar data. Somehow, this business about the swaying towers has come into play. I would appreciate it if you could maintain some thread discipline and create a new tower-sway thread. He would like to keep this one focused on the radar data, which is appropriate. I have initiated a new thread about the sway. I plan to delete the duplicative posts in a day or so. If you want to save something, please do it.
For too long I have been hearing the story about SIMS being injected onto the ATC screens and absolutely confounding the controllers. I have suspected for some time that this was not true, so I went looking for the evidence.
I couldn't find any in the audios and transcripts. I asked several people who are familiar with this and got varying answers, but usually they could not separate the NEADS controller from the FAA when making their points.
I finally went to an ATC who was on duty on 9/11. I have confirmed this answer with others, who concur. (I am not revealing the names because I have not asked for permission to use them.)
Here is my query and the answer.
This issue keeps coming up. Can ATC see the NORAD war games injects? Can NORAD see the ATC civilian traffic?
It seems to me that ATC has enough to deal with. It would be counterproductive for them to have to work around phantoms or ghosts or SIMS.
I have listened to many tapes and read many transcripts. I have heard no references to being confused by SIMS. The one audio we are all familiar with, I am nearly certain, was a NEADS audio telling them turn the SIMS off. But now this story has infected the thinking of anyone who considers ATC activity. Am I way off base here?
I would really appreciate a tutorial or link to learn what the separation between NORAD and ATC looks like.
Thank you very much.
We don't see their SIM Targets. Even our training DYSIM lab is completely tied off of our HOST Computer so we can't even see our SIM Traffic that we use in training. When the military runs a SIM exercise we don't normally even know about them. On occasion when they want to run an exercise and if one or two of the aircraft can't make it, they cancel the exercise and run it as a SIM exercise instead.
NORAD or EADS controllers are MRU controllers and are not ATC certified. Giant Killer Controllers from the Navy are certified ATC controllers. The USAF has ATC controllers but they work at regular ATC facilities. Shaw AFB, others like that. There are some Air National Guard units as well that operate as MRU controllers. MRU is Mobile Radar Controller. Prior to 1998 they were allowed to due certain air traffic control functions like Hand-offs which they no longer can make. So they don't really separate planes. They do what is called a Transfer of Flight Information which is similar to a hand-off but not a true hand-off. We separate from most Military airspace by 3 NM and by 500 feet below Flight Level 290 and above FL290 we use 1,000 feet.
I got the opposite response.
Can ATC see the NORAD war games injects? Can NORAD see the ATC civilian traffic?
Yes, we see their SIM Targets. Even our training DYSIM lab is seamlessly integrated into our HOST Computer so we can even see our SIM Traffic that we use in training. When the military runs a SIM exercise we don't normally even know about them. On occasion when they want to run an exercise and if one or two of the aircraft can't make it, they cancel the real exercise and run it as a SIM exercise instead.
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