William P. Homans' Reaction to the Sandy Rose Poll 9/23/10 - 9/11 Scholars Forum2024-03-29T14:42:03Zhttps://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/william-p-homans-reaction-to?commentId=3488444%3AComment%3A7760&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIn response to Sandy Rose's p…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2010-09-27:3488444:Comment:77602010-09-27T23:54:37.000ZDanny Whitehttps://911scholars.ning.com/profile/DannyWhite
In response to Sandy Rose's poll:<br />
1) For 9/11 to have been pulled off the way it was, with absolutely no interference from our multi-trillion dollar defense dept<br />
is a little impossible to believe. The administration must have had at least some culpability in the crime of 9/11. Mr<br />
Cheney, I believe, was in the control loop in the basement of the White House. There was a full radar-equipped command<br />
center at his disposal to assure things went as planned. All Bush had to do all day was act stupid…
In response to Sandy Rose's poll:<br />
1) For 9/11 to have been pulled off the way it was, with absolutely no interference from our multi-trillion dollar defense dept<br />
is a little impossible to believe. The administration must have had at least some culpability in the crime of 9/11. Mr<br />
Cheney, I believe, was in the control loop in the basement of the White House. There was a full radar-equipped command<br />
center at his disposal to assure things went as planned. All Bush had to do all day was act stupid ..... not too difficult.<br />
2) I believe the videos of the planes hitting the buildings were very sloppy fakes. The second plane accidentally going all the<br />
way through the South tower without any resistance is a dead giveaway. One video fake makes one automatically think<br />
there might be more. Of course computers nowadays can easily insert or delete any object one desires. While I think<br />
the hologram idea could explain a few witness testimonies of actual planes, I personally think there must be another<br />
explanation. The Naudet film of the first hit appears to be a hoax. Aluminum planes can't just dissolve into massive<br />
steel buildings ..... therefore, definitely fake videos were used in the plot to cover for explosive demolition.<br />
3) Since non-ignited nano-thermite chips were found in most dust samples, I would say it was used at least to cut some<br />
of the connecting plates on the core columns. Many of the beams in the rubble have factory ends still on them. I think<br />
the 30ft column pieces were connected with plates that were bolted together and welded . The instant "dustification" of much of the steel and the weird spire dissolving into dust makes me think nuclear-demolition charges were placed under the towers somewhere along the way. To obtain a building permit before construction required some credible plan<br />
for their demolition. Since the nuke zero-boxes would have been somewhere over 100ft deep, drilling holes after construction seems hard to imagine. Somewhere in the original building permit should be plans for dismantling them,<br />
required by law I believe. For information on nuclear-demolition, read Dimitri Khalezov's description of how it's all done.<br />
4) Building 7 looks about as classic as it gets. Molten steel several months after 9/11 suggests possibly another<br />
nuke, or thermite which burns underwater by providing its own oxygen.<br />
5) It looks like the Pentagon attack was a flyover which did not hit the building. The perfect hole in the inner ring and no<br />
debris on the lawn suggests one of the Pentagon's own cruise missiles finding its way back home. It's rather odd it hit the part of the building being renovated and housing the accountants and records of a 2.3 trillion dollar loss of funds, mentioned by Rumsfeld one day before the attack ..... strange coincidence.<br />
6) The Shanksville trash-pit caper is another joke pulled on the public probably for distraction purposes.<br />
7) I believe the passengers were mostly fabricated, as was the rest of the events of 9/11.<br />
8) For links to my sources: any browser ...... birdrop ....... thanks for everyone's interest in finding the truth of 9/11. hello, Mr. Homans,
thank you…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2010-09-27:3488444:Comment:77432010-09-27T16:30:49.000Zsandy rosehttps://911scholars.ning.com/profile/sandyrose
hello, Mr. Homans,<br />
thank you for your response, it was really interesting to hear what you<br />
have to say....as it would be to hear what EVERYone has to say.<br />
when i saw you were opposed to the Vietnam war you had my vote, i'm<br />
now 54 and was a teen/pre-teen during that horror, when i first realized i<br />
was anti-war. what a waste. of blood, energy, people, etc.<br />
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this is what i (we) want/need more of, is peoples' opinions and thoughts.<br />
and of course we will never agree on everything, and that shouldn't…
hello, Mr. Homans,<br />
thank you for your response, it was really interesting to hear what you<br />
have to say....as it would be to hear what EVERYone has to say.<br />
when i saw you were opposed to the Vietnam war you had my vote, i'm<br />
now 54 and was a teen/pre-teen during that horror, when i first realized i<br />
was anti-war. what a waste. of blood, energy, people, etc.<br />
<br />
this is what i (we) want/need more of, is peoples' opinions and thoughts.<br />
and of course we will never agree on everything, and that shouldn't be the<br />
goal, but sharing info and opinions is of great value, i think.<br />
glad to have you aboard, and to have reminded you that you joined<br />
this group, as i'm sure a bunch of others have lost track of also.<br />
as for the 9/11 truth movement, yes, it is here.....we may seem like<br />
the who's down in Whoville i think it was, saying "we are here! we are here!"<br />
and of course the mainstream media will never acknowledge us or give us<br />
any air time, since they were and are part of all the horror, but yes, we are<br />
here, and it seems you are one of us!<br />
(the media was greatly involved in pulling off 9/11, so of course they<br />
will bend over backwards to avoid even our existance)..<br />
<br />
this is what i, for one, want to know. what people think. and why they<br />
think it. and everyone will have their own opinion about every part of it, and<br />
that is to be expected.<br />
but we need to keep the talks going and current, so whatever your point<br />
of view is, we are interested in hearing it.<br />
i have a couple of more comments to make about things you said, don't<br />
have the time now, but thanks for your input and i hope you will stick with us,<br />
good to have you check in, don't be a stranger, peace out. sandy "For there to be a movement,…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2010-09-23:3488444:Comment:76702010-09-23T23:42:50.000ZThoth IIhttps://911scholars.ning.com/profile/ThothII
"For there to be a movement, there has to be a goal, and it has to be at least conceivably an achievable one. I am not convinced that "truth" about 9/11/01 is discernible, not without a helluva lot more money than anyone is likely to pony up. I don't number myself among those who may be afraid that if they go digging, somebody's going to drive by and whack them. I'm old, and when I dig into a sensitive case, I'm armed. However, I am pessimistic that mere grassroots citizen unrest is going to…
"For there to be a movement, there has to be a goal, and it has to be at least conceivably an achievable one. I am not convinced that "truth" about 9/11/01 is discernible, not without a helluva lot more money than anyone is likely to pony up. I don't number myself among those who may be afraid that if they go digging, somebody's going to drive by and whack them. I'm old, and when I dig into a sensitive case, I'm armed. However, I am pessimistic that mere grassroots citizen unrest is going to prompt or force those with murderous secrets to divulge them."<br />
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My guess is I'm probably within 10 years of your age, and my eyes too are growing weary after living through 50 years of the JFK lies. I remember Jesse Ventura relating a sick joke that Allan Dulles meets JFK in heaven and says "but we only just killed you , Mr. President". Jesse's point is similar to yours, "life just went on", and just a president was removed but nothing else changed, the power brokers won and Vietnam happened. I guess 911 truthers are just hoping that by educating a critical mass of people in the truth, they will get so ticked off that the elites won't be able to stop reforms. We can hope anyway.<br />
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I Well, as I said, I am not awa…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2010-09-23:3488444:Comment:76652010-09-23T22:31:11.000ZWilliam P. Homanshttps://911scholars.ning.com/profile/WilliamPHomans
Well, as I said, I am not aware that there is a "movement". I've been in movements. I was in the anti-Vietnam War movement after serving there (I will be elected one of the National Coordinators of Vietnam Veterans Against the War-- VVAW-- October 30, and we shall get a lot louder about the current conflicts).. I was one of those arrested at Seabrook in 1977 (Sun City Sitters Affinity Group), in the No-nukes movement.<br />
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I don't "do" science. On DebateBothSides.com, a discussion forum now closed…
Well, as I said, I am not aware that there is a "movement". I've been in movements. I was in the anti-Vietnam War movement after serving there (I will be elected one of the National Coordinators of Vietnam Veterans Against the War-- VVAW-- October 30, and we shall get a lot louder about the current conflicts).. I was one of those arrested at Seabrook in 1977 (Sun City Sitters Affinity Group), in the No-nukes movement.<br />
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I don't "do" science. On DebateBothSides.com, a discussion forum now closed with which you might be familiar, one of the moderators invited a slew of "debunkers" from a forum nominally overseen by James Randi, who blasted the DBS forum with a bunch of science, presumably to silence the "truthers", or "twoofers" that were regular posters at DBS. I did not take part in that discussion, because just as with photographic technology, you might as well be talking Chinese to me when you start in with physics, thermodynamics and the other scientific fields, the study of at least some of which must be required for anyone to render a substantive opinion about why, for instance, the Twin Towers toppled so straight, but it wasn't an alleged controlled demolition (Building Seven, as I said, is easier. Nothing heavier than conceivably a fuel tank hit it).<br />
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I AM on the "truther" side already. If one cannot believe the OV, one can either believe alternative explanations are possible, or shut one's mouth entirely and forever. I've almost done that. Thoth, I once possessed an unedited copy of the 8 mm Zapruder film, and I am quite sure from having watched an edited copy and my unedited copy that more than one shooter killed JFK. Oswald, in my opinion, was shooting, and scored a hit, probably his second shot. But he didn't blow the top of Kennedy's head off.<br />
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However, that is now 47 years ago. Most of the witnesses, primary and secondary, are dead, a disproportionate number under suspicious circumstances. I am no more confident that a smoking gun-- i.e., a credible confession of participation in some aspect of the events by some belated conscience-stricken conspirator-- will appear in the 9/11/01 case than I am that such a person will appear with, say, the missing forensic evidence in the JFK case. The Kennedy family already made a crucial withdrawal of evidence in this case, and unless someone can convince, say, Caroline, JFK's only survivor, to lift that withdrawal, no one is going to be able to cut throught the veil of CIA "plausible deniability." And of course, the Mafiosi allegedly involved in the plot-- Giancana, DeCavalcante, Trafficante, Marcello-- are all long dead. The probable shooters-- Watergate wheels Hunt and Sturgis, maybe Bernard Barker, all of them transplanted Cubans, and all CIA operatives simultaneously-- are all long dead.<br />
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For there to be a movement, there has to be a goal, and it has to be at least conceivably an achievable one. I am not convinced that "truth" about 9/11/01 is discernible, not without a helluva lot more money than anyone is likely to pony up. I don't number myself among those who may be afraid that if they go digging, somebody's going to drive by and whack them. I'm old, and when I dig into a sensitive case, I'm armed. However, I am pessimistic that mere grassroots citizen unrest is going to prompt or force those with murderous secrets to divulge them.<br />
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Good luck!<br />
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<cite>Thoth II said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://911scholars.ning.com/forum/topics/william-p-homans-reaction-to?commentId=3488444%3AComment%3A7662&xg_source=msg_com_forum#3488444Comment7662"><div>"Category 3: if planes did hit the two towers, then it is plausible that the damaged buildings could have collapsed in the pancake method."<br/><br/>you need to read other posts here at 911.ning like Chuck Boldwyn's. He absolutely demolishes the latest attempt at a pancake collapse like Dave Thomas, from a physics point of view. Laws of physics do not get suspended just cause it's 911. Pancake collapse simply did not happen, that hypothesis has NULL (zero) probability of explaining the evidence. There is nothing "plausible" about it.<br/><br/>"And if lies are being told in one area of the Official Version, then we can not be sure that lies are not being told in other areas. Building Seven is the greatest single reason I do not accept the Official 9/11 Commission Report."<br/><br/>Exactly. Please hang around and read the posters here, you'll quickly come over to the truthers side if you are open minded like this, and keep learning. Well done.</div>
</blockquote> "Category 3: if planes did hi…tag:911scholars.ning.com,2010-09-23:3488444:Comment:76622010-09-23T21:46:53.000ZThoth IIhttps://911scholars.ning.com/profile/ThothII
"Category 3: if planes did hit the two towers, then it is plausible that the damaged buildings could have collapsed in the pancake method."<br />
<br />
you need to read other posts here at 911.ning like Chuck Boldwyn's. He absolutely demolishes the latest attempt at a pancake collapse like Dave Thomas, from a physics point of view. Laws of physics do not get suspended just cause it's 911. Pancake collapse simply did not happen, that hypothesis has NULL (zero) probability of explaining the evidence. There…
"Category 3: if planes did hit the two towers, then it is plausible that the damaged buildings could have collapsed in the pancake method."<br />
<br />
you need to read other posts here at 911.ning like Chuck Boldwyn's. He absolutely demolishes the latest attempt at a pancake collapse like Dave Thomas, from a physics point of view. Laws of physics do not get suspended just cause it's 911. Pancake collapse simply did not happen, that hypothesis has NULL (zero) probability of explaining the evidence. There is nothing "plausible" about it.<br />
<br />
"And if lies are being told in one area of the Official Version, then we can not be sure that lies are not being told in other areas. Building Seven is the greatest single reason I do not accept the Official 9/11 Commission Report."<br />
<br />
Exactly. Please hang around and read the posters here, you'll quickly come over to the truthers side if you are open minded like this, and keep learning. Well done.