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Bullying Iran is a Disastrous Mistake.

Is anyone else having déjà vu? Are the war criminals really going to get another fallacious use out of the BIG LIE of 9/11? Will the people again wave their Red, White, and Blues for the Imperial Empire? 

Inquiring minds, and the Big-Headed want to know.

Iran is not Iraq. Saddam's Iraq was a toothless old dog, beaten, kicked and starved by vicious UN sanctions. Of course, Don Rumsfeld knew where their "weapons of mass destruction" were. North, East, South and West - well somewhere. It must be one one those "unknown knowns".

Iran has seen through the lies over the decades, and know they are next on the list of conquests of the US/NATO demons. They are not looking forward to being a whipped dog like Iraq. They are not toothless. They are in quite the strategic position where 17% of the worlds oil and 1/3 of the seaborne oil shipments pass through the 34 mile wide Straight of Hormuz. 

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"In recent years, Iran has dramatically ramped up its navy, increasing its arsenal of fast-attack ships, anti-ship missiles and mine-laying vessels. Its elite Revolutionary Guards boasts the most powerful naval forces, with approximately 20,000 men, with at least 10 missile patrol boats boasting C-802 missiles with a range of 70 miles (120 kilometers) and a large number of smaller patrol boats with rocket launchers and heavy machine guns, according to a recent report by Anthony Cordesman at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The navy has three submarines and an unknown number of midget subs, capable of firing "smart" torpedoes or laying mines. It also has a large scale capability for laying mines using both small craft and commercial boats, according to the report.

The Revolutionary Guard has also deployed a heavy array of anti-ship Seersucker missiles with a range of up to 60 miles (100 kilometers) along its coast overlooking the strait, on mobile platforms that make them harder to hit.

The Guard's naval forces and the regular navy "have been the most favored service. The Iranian air force and ground forces have not seen the same level of attention in domestic procurement and weapons systems," Rue said. "They realize their navies are the best options for inflicting casualties" on the U.S. or Arab Gulf nations." - AP 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j65iZtu-ySNvtahTz...

The following list consists of some weapons systems that Iran manufactures domestically:

Aircraft and Helicopters

See also: Iran Aviation Industries Organization, HESA, and Panha

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HESA Saeqeh was first test-flown in 2004 and has been delivered to the air force since 2007

Unmanned aerial vehicles

Radar systems

See also: Iran Electronics Industries

Missiles

Medium range (MRBM)

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Ghadr-110 with a range between 2,000 and 3,000 km.[26]

Medium range missiles are considered to have a range between 1000 and 3000 kilometers.

Short range (SRBM)

Short range missiles are considered to have a range up to 1000 kilometers.

Cruise missiles

  • Nasr-1 - Iranian made short range missles.

Air defence weapons

Bombs

Air-to-air missiles

Naval missiles

  • RAAD - Indigenously developed long-range anti-ship missile based on HY-2 Silkworm.
  • Noor - upgraded copy of Chinese C-802.[57]
  • Tondar - upgraded copy of Chinese C-801. Similar to Noor but powered by solid rocket booster and range of 50km.[58][59][60]
  • Thaqeb - Similar to Noor, modified for submarine launch. [61][62]
  • Kowsar 1/2/3 - Several versions based on Chinese C-701 TL-10 and C-704[63][64]
  • Fajre Darya- copy of Sea Killer II.

Torpedo

Boats and destroyers

  • Jamaran - multi-mission frigate with a displacement of around 1,400 tonnes, can carry 120-140 personnel on board and is armed with a variety of anti-ship and surface-to-air missiles.[71][72]
  • Sina class - Iranian built, heavily upgraded, French Kaman (Combattante II) class missile boats.
  • Moudge class - Iranian built, upgraded and modified British Alvand (Saam) class (aka Vosper Mk 5 type) frigates.
  • Iranian made Fast Attack Craft/Torpedo Boat (name unknown) [73]
  • Yunes 6 - six-passenger hovercraft[74]

Submarines

Midget Submarines

http://www.thefullwiki.org/List_of_military_equipment_manufactured_...

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Of Course, the closure of the Straight would impact Iran's exports as well and would be an invitation to the US/NATO WMD Corps to rain deadly isotopes as they are so fond of doing.

So, this would be a last defense if the Imperial Bullshitters were to increase their nefarious attacks on the infrastructure of Iran.

However, 

"Alireza Nader, an analyst at the RAND Corp., said Iran could start with lower-level moves short of outright attacks.

"It could harass shipping, stopping and searching ships. We could see those kind of provocative steps," he said.

But turning to military moves raises the danger for Iran of retaliation. And trying to close the strait could be disastrous for Tehran.

"If the benefits are higher than the costs, it could take that action, but it's difficult to see how that could be because of how bad the fallout would be," Nader said. "It's economic self-sabotage."

Hormuz is in the territorial waters of Iran and Oman, but it is considered an international strait where free passage is guaranteed, meaning that under international law, closing it by any nation would be considered an act of war. Russia and China, Iran's main allies that have protected it from stronger U.N. sanctions, would have little choice but to respond. Russia, which now has oil production contracts in Iraq, and China, which relies on the region for its supplies, also have no interest in seeing traffic stop, said Olivier Jakob of the Switzerland-based oil monitor Petromatrix." - AP

Also, Iran, unlike Iraq, possibly due to our inexcusable and insane foreign policy, has friends:

'Iran war very dangerous scenario'
Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:54PM GMT

Russian Ambassador to the UN Vitaly Churkin
Russia has denounced US and Israeli threats of launching a military action against Iran as “a very dangerous scenario” which could result in a “regional catastrophe.”



Russia will not “accept the proposition that the best way to prevent a war is to start a war,” Russian Ambassador to the UN Vitaly Churkin said in an interview with Russia Today on Thursday. 

“Our consistent stand, our effort, is going to be targeted at doing whatever we can in order to prevent this scenario of regional catastrophe being carried out in 2012,” he added. 

“We do believe that a peaceful solution is possible,” Churkin said, further adding the West should instead direct its efforts towards engaging in negotiations with Tehran to avoid any serious consequences. 

Washington and the Tel Aviv regime have repeatedly threatened Tehran with military strikes on the false pretext that Iran's nuclear program may have a covert military diversion. 

Tehran has categorically refuted allegations by US-led Western powers, saying that as a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, it has the right to develop and acquire nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. 

Iranian officials have vowed to deliver a crushing response to any military strike against the country, warning that any such measure could result in a war that would certainly reach far beyond the Middle East. 

HMV/MA 


Russia, China, Lebanon call for diplomatic solution to Iran nuclear...
c_330_235_16777215_0___images_stories_dec01_24_02_ep9.jpgTEHRAN – Russia, China, and Lebanon have called for the dispute over Iran’s nuclear program to be resolved through diplomatic channels. 
Moscow believes that there is no room for further UNSC sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program, Russian Ambassador to the UN Vitaly Churkin said on Friday, Reuters reported. 
"We believe the sanctions track in the Security Council has been exhausted," he told reporters in response to a question about Iran and its nuclear program. "We continue to believe very strongly that negotiations should continue with Iran."
Churkin reiterated Moscow's view that negotiations between Iran and the 5+1 group (the United States, Britain, France, Russia, China, and Germany), had been undermined by the report that the International Atomic Energy Agency released on November 8, in which it claimed that Iran appears to have worked on designing an atomic bomb. 
The report contained "very little new information," Churkin added.
In addition, Wang Min, China's deputy permanent representative to the UN, on Wednesday called on the Western countries to commit themselves to dialogue as the sole path to resolving the standoff over Iran's nuclear issue, according to Press TV. 
“It is of greater and more realistic significance for all parties to seek for a proper settlement of the Iran's nuclear issue through dialogue and negotiations, maintain peace and stability of the Middle East, and avoid further turbulence in the region,” Wang said during a speech at a meeting of the Security Council.
Lebanon's ambassador to the UN, Nawaf Salam, also said on Thursday that negotiation is the best and only solution to the current standoff over Iran's “peaceful" nuclear program, Press TV reported. 


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Iran didn't depose our elected leader. Iran doesn't pretend to have a court system that is masquerading as legitimate, with the farcical twit Judge Daniels using lack of evidence as evidence in a trial with no representation for the defendant. 

Face it. It is our Country that has lost it's Democratic Soul, yet we are the self-appointed 

Enforcer of Democratic Values™ that we no longer enjoy ourselves. We are sold out, desperate,

and falling fast into an abyss worthy of Wile E. Coyote. We have no friends. We have controllers.


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Comment by sandy rose on December 31, 2011 at 11:51am

yep, on a stick of wood.  you wood be there for sure, Shallel.  it has

been fun to have you among us.                               no doubt.

     yeah, i'm sure that our sanity is fine,....just tested to da max. 

i do wonder about the sanity of some others who would do such

hideous harm to other man/woman kind.   i do hafta wonder about

THEIR sanity.   in our case it's more about how to survive and go on

knowing the awful horridity that we know, yet life has to go on.

 

      and i personally find it hard to believe that a Court of like the whole

World couldn't all come together, not unlike the ossum Occupy protestors

of 2011, and make the yew ess STOP.  just STOP, you blood thirsty pigs.

the history of this world is so weird, and people are so weird to become

involved in all these wars.  war is stupid, and it always will be.  

      so, this year, i feel rather ashamed and disgusted, ta be a yew ess

citison, it just reaks of badness.  i am not so proud.

 

     (they can probly bring me in for questioning just on that, right?)

 

      all i can say is, that year was not so good, but i am thankful for

all the great and brilliant people who are on the side of Truth.  especially

9/11 related.    let our chain be strong and ya can't kill the truth.  

                                                                 good new year, people, truth on, please.    lovies!!@

 

 

Comment by Shallel Octavia on December 31, 2011 at 11:05am

"and yet, thanks to all, and i could name you on a stick of wood,

who have committed their very selves to the name of sanity and truth."

I will hold on to truth regardless of the consequences for my sanity.

Sanity is relative, anyway. Normalcy is not an option for me.

I too am very glad to be with you all on the rare side of truth.

Yes, Happy New Year is appropriate, as it is indeed gratifying to have righteous indignation at the fine mess we are in, that we fight on for the truth, because it is the right thing to do.

Blessings and Happy New Year, my dear friend, and all....

 

Comment by sandy rose on December 30, 2011 at 6:40pm

yeah, thanks, Sha Sha,

    yeah, we bring all (?) "our"   trupes home, like we're all supposed

to be doing some fancy "ooh-ee, yer bringin our trupes home" dance,

.....is this only so we can send them to fuck up Iran instead?

 

     egads, as our fearless leader Jim would say.  e freakin gads.

 

     oh how i long for the day when the whole whirled gangs up against

us, *(cause i'll be one of them...)...     mwah hah hah......

     and yet the nightmare continues.  may we all have the strength to

continue to stand up against the lies/horrors/ cover-ups/heartless deeds/

massacres, blatant mass murders (hi, obummer!)   etc etc etc,

 

    (is this any venue in which to say happy goddamn noo year?  

 

      should we as trufy folks tried to have done more? 

 

      ..............oh, the nightmares.   where is the sanity?

 

     ps don't ask me.    

 

 

     thanks, Shalelloqui, purshicate yer sticking with the best of folks....

 

     it is an solemn, and lonely fucking piece of shit road, eh?

 

     and yet, thanks to all, and i could name you on a stick of wood,

who have committed their very selves to the name of sanity and truth.

 

     sad but still pushing truthiness, hope '12 brings more TRUTH to the table...\

 

      yet, let us all stick to gether, to retain some inner whacked form of sanity.   lovies, snady

 

 

 

 

         ps uggggg.

 

    

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