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Exposing Falsehoods and Revealing Truths


Do you know anyone who is a HAM? If so, go talk to them. They can explain in simple terms what HAARP is all about. The University of Alaska website for this international research facility is at www.haarp.alaska.edu - the original site may have been a bit of a boondoggle - perhaps a bit of a waste of tax dollars, but it has done a lot of good science despite being continually attacked by various conspiracists and opportunists like Moret who changes her spots based on the current topic of the moment. Her pal Alfred Webre Lambremonte is very similar. I first encountered him years ago before he hooked up with Moret. He was mister space alien encounter back then when he posted to the Investigative Reporters and Editors (IRE) List that I joined in 1996 as a Federal whistlelblower looking for a bulldog investigative reporter. I have been on that list ever since since I like to associate with investigative reporters who dig out the facts. I have helped some of them with their stories and was interviewed by satellite link from KGO TV's news room in San Francisco for a Kansas TV station story in 2003. My primary expertise is fraud - I seem to have a sixth sense for fraudsters that stems from my experiences as a government contracting professional and whistleblower about contract fraud. Thus far, most of the fraudsters have gotten away with it - but I did manage to get the one who ripped off my City to the tune of $65K to plead no contest to one felony count of theft of government funds ending his once promising political career.

Moret falsely claims that HAARP causes earthquakes following the lead of Rosalie Bertell who seems to be unwilling to shed the limelight despite her no longer being an active researcher and just basically making things up. If you talk with Geology professors, you will quickly learn that it is impossible to use radio waves to cause earthquakes. It is possible to stimulate quakes by deep water injection on a fault line. Most of those quakes were not even perceptible and the largest were in the range of 4 on the Richter scale, which is barely perceptible when you are within a few miles of the epicenter. None of these quakes were in the great quake range of 7 or larger or even close to that. You can also do internet research and find this information out - I found that quakes were stimulated in Colorado and Germany using similar methodology of water injection from a deep well on a fault line.

How deep can we drill? The deepest hole ever drilled was on the Kola Peninsula in the former Soviet Union. It took 14 years to reach the 12,000 meter depth and the final depth when they abandoned drilling further five years later was 12,262 meters.


This is important because the epicenter of the Richter Magnitude 8.8 Chilean Earthquake was 35 Km, 23 Km more than the deepest hole ever drilled into the earth.


The epicenter of the Richter Magnitude 7 Haitian Earthquake was 13Km - but remember, it took 14 years to drill to 12Km - and the drilling tower would have been evident for that time period - even so, it is still nearly 1 Km deeper than the deepest hole ever drilled in the Earth's crust.


This eliminates the possibility of deep water injection to lubricate the edges of a fault - and that is the only way that scientists have been able to create an earthquake. Remember also that the Richter scale is logarhithmic scale so each whole number increase on the scale is 10 times greater in magnitude.

From the Wikipedia, there is a pretty good depiction of earthquake magntitudes and relative frequencies of occurrence


Richter magnitudes


Earthquake effects

Frequency of occurrence

Less than 2.0


Microearthquakes, not felt.

About 8,000 per day



Generally not felt, but recorded.

About 1,000 per day


Often felt, but rarely causes damage.

49,000 per year (est.)



Noticeable shaking of indoor items, rattling noises. Significant damage unlikely.

6,200 per year (est.)



Can cause major damage to poorly constructed buildings over small regions. At most slight damage to well-designed buildings.

800 per year



Can be destructive in areas up to about 160 kilometres (100 mi) across in populated areas.

120 per year



Can cause serious damage over larger areas.

18 per year



Can cause serious damage in areas several hundred miles across.

1 per year


Devastating in areas several thousand miles across.

1 per 20 years



Never recorded; see below for equivalent seismic energy yield.

Extremely rare (Unknown)

(Based on U.S. Geological Survey documents.)[5]

Great earthquakes occur once a year, on average. The largest recorded earthquake was the Great Chilean Earthquake of May 22, 1960 which had a magnitude (MW) of 9.5.[6]

From the Paradox Valley, Colorado experiments

More than 99.9% of the PVU seismicity is below human detection (M 2.5). However, approximately 15 events have been felt locally, with the largest being a magnitude M 4.3. Because of the M 4.3 and two earlier-felt M 3.5 events and injection economics, PVU changed injection strategies three times since 1996. These changes reduced seismicity from 1100 events/year to as low as 60 events/year.


http://www.nyx.net/~dcypser/induceq/iis.html - this was the page I was hunting for using “man made earthquakes” – I did not find it until the bottom of the fifth page of hits because of the sheer volume of the nonsense about Haiti, Chile, etc. that has permeated the internet – it’s not science, it is not even science fiction; good science fiction is based on the extension of believable science – I was an Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact subscriber from about 1963 to 1999 (not sure when my wife let my subscription finally lapse, but I read it cover to cover for decades).

Note the frequency of under M2.5 in the table above – about 1000 per day world wide – note also the frequency of 4.3 – about 6,200 per year – now look at 7.0 like Haiti – 18 per year – major, can cause serious damage over larger areas – and then the 8.8 in Chile – 1 per year – great, can cause serious damage over areas several hundred miles across – think now about the enormous difference between that which was created using deep well injection (the only proven method of man made creation of quakes) and the size of these larger quakes –

2 – 3 is 10 times more magnitude – 4 is 100 times more magnitude – 5 is 1000 times more magnitude – 6 is 10,000 times more magnitude – 7 is 100,000 times more magnitude – 8 is 1,000,000 times more magnitude – and a 8.8 is nearly 10,000,000 times more magnitude – the energies are comparable – (by comparison to a subject near and dear to your heart, the fall of the Twin Towers was measured at .6 on the Richter Scale – which is less than 1/10th the strength the 2 that I used to start the above series; and the detonation of a 1 KT nuclear test is stated as being measurable as a Magnitude 4 on the Richter scale)

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Comment by Thoth II on November 13, 2010 at 10:32am
I am not sure if the elites really want to intentionally cause disasters or not, we hear of a vague depopulation program, but maybe even among the dark side this is too crazy, if nothing else, because they are afraid they won't be able to manage the chaos. However, watch Jesse Ventura police state show this week, and you'll see that at least they are setting up the infrastructure for such catastrophes, whether they are accidental or intentionally ignited. He starts with a young girl, whose only crime was being a Ron Paul campaigner, and she ended up on the foul end of a so called fusion center. He also shows "residential centers" that look more like prisons with childrens playgrounds in them, and a structure of 9 council of governors, which is probably a rough apportioning of the USA into police sectors . And Halliburton seems to be behind the construction of all this. For the elite themselves, in times of martial law, they have elaborate bunkers set up, such as under the Denver airport.

This stuff is making america look increasingly like Nazi germany, it's starting to get that bad.
Comment by Thoth II on November 12, 2010 at 10:24am
to trust a government website to give the public the truth about what is doing about its important projects is as naive as a 10 year old would be. So whatever science that site is claiming is being done cannot just be trusted on face value. When Jesse Ventura tried to simply get a tour of the HAARP facility , they told him to come back in two years during open house, yeah , right.

I am in no mood to trust govt. with anything these days. And today I just by chance was browsing the upcoming tivo listing for Nov. 22 and guess what I immediately turn up? On discovery channel ( aka, Joseph Goebbels channel), back to back Gary Mack 6th floor productions about JFK, and I see a new 2 hour doc. they've got slated to culminate the evening, one about the Kennedy secret service detail. I'll back a million dollars they won't feature the research of Vince Palmyra on that production, or if they quote him, they'll distort his words.
Comment by James H. Fetzer on November 12, 2010 at 9:59am
Roger has written to me and added the following about his background:

Roger W Helbig

BA, Geology - Moret has a BS in Geology - hers is one year older than mine -
neither of us ever worked as a Geologist or taught Geology -

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