Can the 9/11 Truth Community Handle the Truth?

[Dean]

http://deanhartwell.weebly.com/1/post/2010/06/can-the-911-truth-com...

I wrote an article called Understanding 9/11: Follow the Planes and Passengers recently in which I used Bureau of Transportation Statistics records and other facts about 9/11. I determined that plotters merged the four flights into two and tricked air controllers into believing the two flights left behind actually flew that day.

Some feedback has been positive. The rest of it has been unresponsive (some have called it a "no plane" theory even though I identify the planes used by flight number)

Which is a shame. We need a good debate within the 9/11 Truth community as to what really happened. There are disagreements about some of the details, which is hardly unexpected, but the best way to work out disagreements is to talk them (or email them) out.

I challenge those serious about finding the truth to articulate why they believe the way they do.

Reasonable minds can differ, for instance, as to what hit the World Trade Center. But it is not reasonable to make presumptions or to preempt another's ideas with name-calling. This behavior causes rifts that are costly and hard to mend.

So I challenge the truth community further to identify the issues about 9/11 that are most important to determine the truth about.

If we all are in consensus (not necessarily full agreement) as to what we need to show to a public asleep on this issue after nine years of lies from our leaders, we will be better able to work together. I grew up playing baseball and my analogy is that if the team of 9/11 Truth
needs you to play right field, go play it.

After all, the "jersey" that we wear does not show "no planes" or "missile at the Pentagon" on it. It shows the word truth. And when the truth stares at us on a one-way street, it is time for a new direction!

[Ben Collet]

I once heard David Ray Griffin say that maybe the best chance for getting the truth about 9/11 will come when a sufficiently fierce internal struggle within the ruling elite breaks out.
It could happen - and the faster we can build a mass 9/11 truth movement the more likely it is to happen.

[sandy rose]

yes, gruesome is us. it's downright shameful to be linked to such.
the 4th of july is especially painful. the peace flag will be flying.
and the Earth flag. oh how we do screw her up. oh, what a disgrace.


hey, there seems to be shaking of up going on in the ranks of
the you know whats. rahm is taking a hike, that other dude who's
the something of somethings, and ol' warmonging top dude called
obusha a wimp and then is trying to resign. wow, shake up ongoing.
interesting. i always find it amusing to see the swine battle each
other. we get tired of battling em after a while, yeah, let's watch
some little wrestling matches. it could all blo up in their faces
and wouldn't that be fun? (no, nsa, that's not a threat, they can
blow it up fine without our help) after all that has happened, i would
find it amusing.
i wonder where 9/11 truth fits in to it all. hhhmmm.

[Ben Collet]

You're right about the history of state terror carried out by our gummint. I've just been reading a book on the subject: State Terrorism and the United States, by Frederick Gareau. Some gruesome stuff done in our name.

[sandy rose]

yep, intercepting planes that weren't there would be a toughy.
hey, neato that you're on to the planes hoax too, Ben!
and yeah, that is an awful lot, isn't it? and really silly when
ya think that generally our gummint is the threat and are the ones
that are doing the world wide terrorizing. what would they be
worried about, themselves? or maybe paranoid for good reason.

hey, if you don't already, i totally recommend clg news, that's
Citizens for 'Legitimate Government', whatever that is. Lori Price
is outrageously wondrous.

[Dean]

That makes perfect sense, Ben! Our air defense is not at all incompetent. The FAA got confused by mysterious "blips" on their screens and the simulations made it impossible for anyone to figure out what was happening!

[Ben Collet]

3300! Wow! That's over 28 a month since 9/11. I'm assuming when they say "responded" they mean scrambled fighters to at least go up and have a look what was going on. Practically an everyday experience. I think Dr. Fetzer has it right when he says the reason the fighters were all delayed and diverted on 9-11 was because the perps didn't want them going up to intercept and finding there were no planes to intercept.

[sandy rose]

groovy. and here is a thing i just read from clg, LOVE YA, LORI,
heads up in these areas, yawl...uh oh, dangerous military activity...
and WHAT response to terrorist attacks on 9/11? UH OH AGAIN,
airborne terrorists. well, at least they know what they are.

NORAD Exercise Flights Planned Over West Virginia, Baltimore, D.C. and Richmond




Posted on June 17, 2010

PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. (June 17, 2010) – North American Aerospace Defense Command will conduct multiple exercise flights next week in the skies in the vicinity of northern West Virginia, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Richmond, Va. People may hear and see NORAD fighter aircraft in close proximity with DOD-contracted general aviation aircraft as they practice their intercept and identification procedures.

This exercise has been carefully planned and will be closely controlled to ensure the safety of the exercise and those participants in the area of operations. The exercise will test NORAD’s air sovereignty alert sites’ rapid response capability to an aerospace threat.

NORAD has conducted exercise flights of this nature throughout the U.S. and Canada since the start of Operation Noble Eagle, the command’s response to the terrorist attacks that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001. Each exercise flight utilizes a scenario to test NORAD’s response, systems and equipment. Scenarios could include counter-drug operations, aircraft in distress, aircraft defecting, hijacking, unknown aircraft, Dangerous Military Activity, Temporary Flight Restriction violation or airborne terrorist.

Since Sept. 11, 2001, NORAD fighters have responded to more than 3,300 possible air threats in Canada and the United States.

Source: Northern Command (NORTHCOM)

[Dean]

Thanks, Sandy! I thought the youtube clip on the mysterious deaths sounded like some of the mysterious deaths of those who may have known something about JFK. Gerard's article is based on BTS information, which I used in my essay. I have seen the 102 Minutes book before - I will look for it. - Dean

[sandy rose]

so if anyone else has "passenger" info stashed away somewhere
please feel free to share. i'll keep looking to see if i have more...
Dean, watching the thing that Toni sent reminded me of a book
on 9/11 called 102 minutes, it's by jim dwyer and some other dude,
and it gives supposed accounts about people who were in the towers,
etc. the dudes who wrote the book were NOT 9/11 truthers, at least
at that time, but i read it, was at our local library, and it was rather
interesting. facts about the structure of the towers, etc. i was glued.
just to pass that on, if you haven't seen it yet. keep up good work & thanks.
we need all the help we can get. and giving up is as wubba would say,
not an option.

[sandy rose]

Dean, and interested others, got this link from Webby, INTERESTING
that it comes from our bud Gerard... info about 'passengers'.. thanks, Webby!

http://thewebfairy.com/holmgren/holmgren/1177.html