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Comment by James H. Fetzer on June 17, 2009 at 8:33pm
Bill, My guess is that you omitted a word in the sentence, "For those of us (let me) who find an overwhelming amount of evidence that Flt 175 (or any normal passenger jet) crashed into WTC 2," is there not a missing "not"? Surely after all of this discussion and debate you cannot seriously believe that a 767 crashed into the South Tower, unless you think that proofs of video fakery do not imply that no plane was present. I agree with that to the extent that video fakery is consistent with either the presence or the absence of a plane, where it might have been required to conceal features of the plane or of its interaction with the building that would have given the game away. The evidence of Elias Davidsson, John Lear, and George Nelson, among others, however, strong suggests that there is no proof real planes were involved at all. May I assume that you have read "New Proof of Video Fakery on 9/11", which you can google. Do I have your position right? Jim
Comment by Sharon Smith on June 16, 2009 at 9:24pm
I would like to add: We need to remember what was in the plane also. It wasn't suppose to be hollow. It was suppose to have seats, luggage, other substances. Shouldn't that stuff compressing on the inside of the plane build up on the outside of the building also? I know my opinion on this, just throwing it up for thoughts.
Comment by James H. Fetzer on June 16, 2009 at 6:25pm
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:20:15 -0500 [06:20:15 PM CDT]
From: jfetzer@d.umn.edu
To: zn365@aol.com
Cc: jfetzer@d.umn.edu
Subject: Re: FROM ZAN: GALEN'S SHAMEFUL REPLY TO RUNYAN.
Zan,

A note on video fakery. Killtown has posted this and related links:

http://killtown.911review.org/images/wtc-gallery/nist1-2d/e-24_wtc2-impact-pattern.jpg

How could anyone possibly imagine that a 767 could impact the South
Tower--intersecting with EIGHT (8) floors of 4" thick concrete and
steel--and pass through without crumpling, shredding, falling into
pieces and onto the ground? The physical reality exposes once and
for all that video fakery was taking place in New York on 9/11.

Jim

P.S. Please forward this to Runyan. Tell him I liked his post.

Quoting zn365@aol.com:

FROM ONE HERETIC TO ANOTHER. ZAN

-----Original Message-----
From: galen
To: 9-11-NeXuS@yahoogroups.com; Runyan Wilde
Cc: galen ; Anthony Lawson ; Dick Eastman

Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2009 11:22 pm
Subject: Re: [9-11-NeXuS] Re: James Fetzer: What Didn't Happen At The WTC

Runyan, you're right, the "no WTC plane" disinfo is not allowed to be
promoted on 9-11-NeXuS.? Many of us -- myself and Anthony Lawson to
name two-- have spent hours refuting the "no WTC plane" canard.? If you
want to promote this utter nonsense, take it elsewhere, it's not
welcome here.? Another equally substantiated "theory" which is also not
allowed on 9-11-NeXuS is that a giant, invisible, pink, Easter bunny
crushed the Towers with his giant, fluffy feet -- galen

RunyanWilde@aol.com wrote:

I'm getting the impression, in this (Nexus) group, that the "No
planes" theory is officially heresy. But here is what I found
just a few minutes ago about the south tower:

Just an explosion, no plane in sight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLrTdtOAgo4

"It looks like a terrorist attack from here":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcNc5QNCfQ

Side-by-side anomalies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OttgIK0eB1U

Video manipulation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q70ht4-Ytw

"Butter plane" slides in like hot butterknife:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9dwN4HBDj4

Since these videos are all by different authors from
different perspectives, I find myself having to question the "all
planes" theory.? (The evidence against any plane at the Pentagon is
overwhelming, to me.)

- Runyan
Comment by James H. Fetzer on June 16, 2009 at 4:18pm
Three wonderful links from Killtown:
here's a graphic that shows the 2nd plane hitting right at a floor and they even show its fuselage splitting in half!  http://killtown.911review.org/images/wtc-gallery/nist1-2d/7-33_wtc2-767-disintegrating.jpg
[06/16/09] Killtown: http://killtown.911review.org/wtc-gallery.html
[06/16/09] Killtown: here they have 2nd plane hitting smack into the 81st floor:  http://killtown.911review.org/images/wtc-gallery/nist1-2d/e-24_wtc2-impact-pattern.jpg

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