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Comment by Mehmet Inan on December 25, 2010 at 2:21am Chcuk,
In your video of the civil airliner crash the wooden pole cut the wing at its extremity and both parts of the wing continued their movement. We can tell in the WTC towers, on the extremity the wings will be cut but both parts will continue their movement in the empty glass area and enter the tower. Even if some columns remain intact the wing will enter the building.
Again in your video, between the engines the wing remained still standing, the massive wooden pole was broken, the wing’s structure resisted. That means in WTC2, the columns hit by parts near the fuselage should be broken as visible in the pictures of WTC2.
Your video confirms the damage on the twin towers were made by real aircraft impacts.
It remains only some days for disinfo certification! Are you still continuing your disinfo claims?
Comment by Mehmet Inan on December 25, 2010 at 2:07am Thoth said “However, none of this is needed to exclude the hypothesis of a big jet: that one has 0% probability of explaining the lack of debris.“
The lawn begins about 100ft far from the façade, the plane did not touch the lawn but it hit the façade, most of the debris will be inside the building, some of them on ground near the façade (not on the lawn), very small one is –on the lawn, but that was gathered by people from the Pentagon who walked in line on the lawn to clear it.
The absence of visible debris on the lawn in 100% normal, it should be like that.
Thoth said “To attempt to answer your questions is really irrelevant to this, but I could easily explain those with, say a hypothesis that a missile hit Pent. plus extra bombs: 1-3: some damage was due to missile, some to planted explosives,”
You need to look the damages before telling planted explosives. Planted explosives go outward; the damages on the columns are all made by inward impact. See in ASCE report Figure 5.8, 5.11, 5.12 for columns 18-19. In figure 3.8 you can find C9 bended inward. Those parts can be found on the net from other pictures also.
All these damages are fully consistent with an impact of plane which has 95ft wingspan.
Thoth said “4: the missile hit some light poles on the way inbound”
To make the damages to the light poles, the wingspan should be at least about 90ft.
Thoth said 5: before the impacts /explosions, a big jet fly toward, but then pulled up over the Pent. and fooled witnesses.
And the eyewitnesses did not saw the plane flying above the Pentagon! The eyewitnesses had very easy to see that the plane flew above the building, but they told the plane impacted the building. Also, the second of the five released pictures do not show the plane above the building!
If you are sincere in your work, you’ll simply check the evidence and explain everything. If you are not sincere, you’ll turn around with false theories and propagate disinformation. You just have to choose: Being honest or dishonest.
Do not forget: Being dishonest in such action makes you complicit with the perpetrators because, that means you protect them by creating confusion and obstruction to the investigation.
Comment by Chuck Boldwyn on December 24, 2010 at 5:14pm
Comment by Chuck Boldwyn on December 24, 2010 at 4:53pm
Comment by Thoth II on December 24, 2010 at 11:40am Mehmet,
clearly, since the lawn is clean there was no big jet, that is crystal clear. To attempt to answer your questions is really irrelevant to this, but I could easily explain those with, say a hypothesis that a missile hit Pent. plus extra bombs: 1-3: some damage was due to missile, some to planted explosives,
4: the missile hit some light poles on the way inbound
5: before the impacts /explosions, a big jet fly toward, but then pulled up over the Pent. and fooled witnesses.
However, none of this is needed to exclude the hypothesis of a big jet: that one has 0% probability of explaining the lack of debris. You can hand wave this off all you want, but it still remains as an impossibility if a jet hit. When April Gallop crawled through that hole and saw no jet debris, obviously anyone in their right mind would conclude that no jet hit there.
Comment by Mehmet Inan on December 24, 2010 at 5:56am Thoth,
Your interpretation is wrong; nothing is related to "dark side" or anything else. I am just a sincere Muslim investigator, I do not accept that Muslims are accused and condemned with false evidences and some people who defines themselves as "scholars" are propagating false theories without explaining strong material evidence. The subject is ONLY THAT. Do not search for any connection between me and any other organisation; I am just a Muslims like any other Muslim or Christian or Jew or atheist, ... I am a simple independent man!
I the case of the Pentagon strike, if the plane entered into the building, there will be very few debris near the façade (some are visible on some pictures), all other debris should enter the building. Giving a large picture of the lawn far from the facade and telling there was no plane is deceiving people and propagating disinfo. So this is not an argument.
There are some strong material evidence, 100% prouved without any doubt. Any investigator or scholar who study the subject has the OBLIGATION to explain such strong material evidence. If you are sincere in your will of study the strikes, you should explain these questions, Jim had to do it since long time, in 2006 these subjects were discussed, and he still not explained them. If any of these questions are wrong, you are welcome too, just tell me why they are wrong.
1- How do you explain the damage on column20 at floor 1.
2- How do you explain the damage on C19, C18.
3- How do you explain completely broken C12, C11,C10, C9 and damaged C8.
4- How do you explain the broken light poles.
5- How do you explain the eyewitnesses who saw an airliner?
Comment by Thoth II on December 23, 2010 at 2:40pm Mehmet,
your constant interrogation techniques, like demanding us to "explain" all of these things, reminds me much of the techniques of the dark side. In a case like this, no debris was on the lawn, case closed as far as a big Boeing, that would be impossible. All these explanations you are demanding are irrelevant to this reality.
Comment by Mehmet Inan on December 23, 2010 at 2:08pm Chuck,
You are well good in sarcasm and disinfo, we can also tell you champion in these subjects. But you are null about 9/11 investigation.
You well tried to escape the discussion, avoid to consider evidences! But it does not work; the questions come back always:
1- How do you explain the damage on column20 at floor 1.
2- How do you explain the damage on C19, C18.
3- How do you explain completely broken C12, C11,C10, C9 and damaged C8.
4- How do you explain the broken light poles.
5- How do you explain the eyewitnesses who saw an airliner?
Where is Jim? Is he able to consider those strong evidences or is he preferring to tell some disinfo and run away?
Comment by Chuck Boldwyn on December 23, 2010 at 2:37am Mehmet,
Is December 31st the last day you will annoy us with your unreasonable pushiness and better and more knowing and more intelligent than anyone else, on this site?
Are you threatening to leave us at year's end?
You know we will be so sad to see you go and we will miss you, our all wise 911 Pentagon Guru, our all-knowing 911 Twin Towers mentor, our plane-crash science wizzard, our infallible 911 Philosophical WonderBoy or is it WonderMan?
Please do not let the door smack you in your Buttt, too hard, on the way out...
again,
Happy Holidays,
Chuck Boldwyn
Comment by Mehmet Inan on December 22, 2010 at 2:50pm Chuck, instead of going into sarcasme, you'd better think and answer to my questions. In your video, the military plane did not decelerate too! That proved the UA175 should not decelerate too.
Thoth, do you claim that an eyewitness could give precise damage span, precise wingspan, ... ? For me, no. That's why eyewitnesses testimonies should be supported by material evidence. Your claims should be stronger, they should be undebunkable.
My questions remain asked here down. But I know, none of you will answer these questions; disinformation agents can not answer to the right questions.
1- How do you explain the damage on column20 at floor 1.
2- How do you explain the damage on C19, C18.
3- How do you explain completely broken C12, C11,C10, C9 and damaged C8.
4- How do you explain the broken light poles.
5- How do you explain the eyewitnesses who saw an airliner?
In the mean time, Jim disappeared! No more discussion! Just remember, December 31 is the last day.
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