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Who are the real "bad guys" in the world today?

Who are the real bad-guys in the world today?
Check out the tally-sheet below and then decide who needs
to be afraid of whom.
 
 From Michael Rivero:
 
"Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!
 

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel stages incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombs Syria, again insisting they are destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there is no evidence to support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacks Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out.In February 2008 Israel again raids Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agrees to a cease fire and keeps it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacks, killing 6 HAMAS members, launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, are killed. Israel loses 13 soldiers. Violations of international law include the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigates, but Israel refuses to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacks an international aid flotilla bring food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people are murdered including an American from New York. Add to it the numerous assassinations such as last year's embarrassment in Dubai, and you get the picture, even without the overtly racist and apartheid statements coming from Israel's rabbis.

 

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?"

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Comment by Dennis Cimino on October 17, 2011 at 6:15pm

one more point I wanted to make to any GOP lurkers or blog participants who are part of this forum here:

 

Those of you who espoused the; "why should you care if the government is listening in on everyone if you're doing NOTHING WRONG?" argument, is that truly, people who are willing to give up their LIBERTY for some promise of SAFETY are, in fact, proto-fascists who need authoritarian assholes over them every minute of every day, or else they cannot function.  Seldom do you see anyone who espouses that happy horse shit being a leader of any kind, they merely are good jackbooted thugs who FOLLOW STRICTLY.

 

unfortunately for this nation, far too many of it's population espouse that shit.  they LOVE and EMBRACE the AUTHORITARIANISM crap.  However, some of those assholes who loved it when a piece of shit like George W. Bush was enforcing it, are now screaming bloody murder when this piece of O'bumma POTUS crap is doing exactly what their fuhrer was doing.  There's a word for that, starts with an 'H' and ends with a 'Y' and that word is NINE LETTERS long.  Oh, I know, some of you have to get out the friggin thesaurus now, and maybe quit pissing and moaning about the garbage that this dictator is doing that is exactly in every way, the shit you all thought was a good idea in the last traitorous scumball's mis-administration.

 

we are at this place in time because far too many of you assholes in the GOP ranks, and quite a few of you who try to disguise yourself as real democrats, but you're not real democrats at all...certainly not what used to be a democrat in the 1960's for sure, but this obsequious and thin shit that Faux Noize constantly rails at 24/7 that is no more liberal than Attila The Hun was 'liberal' for damned sure.  Get over it, you're all closet republican's!!!  You love dictatorship and authoritarian rule.  You absolutely shiver at the possibility that you might have to take responsibility for your own life, you so need someone to tell you what you can and cannot do or else you'll fornicate upwards with virtually every step you take and every breath you breathe!

 

the nation got in this situation because of YOU, the asshole closeted fascist bastards who absolutely NEED DICTATORSHIP and DESPOTIC RULERS OVER YOU EVERY MOMENT OF YOUR MISERABLE LIVES!

 

you speak about freedom, but none of you know what the hell that is.  most of you can't even spell it.

 

but you foisted it on a nation of 330 million of us, and a goodly portion of us don't really like it much.

 

on the other side of this, I sincerely hope you all find it within yourselves to do the GTFO and go somewhere that FASCIST DICTATORSHIPS under DESPOTS is cool and loved.  That is not here.

 

and it never was here!  So do the right thing and take your own advice and GTFO!  Leave!

 

we've had it with FASCISM and DESPOTS and DICTATORSHIP!  and some of us won't tolerate any more of it

for much longer.

 

when this nation does fall, a good number of us will be looking for those of you and make sure you get your Nicolae Ceasescu moment somehow.  It's the only fitting reward for your part in making OUR LIVES a living nightmare.  To the last man woman and slug amongst you, you all truly need to GTFO or face the retribution for taking this nation unto a theocratic dictatorship of HORROR, a CHARNEL HOUSE OF MURDER.

 

truly, you need to be gone.  when this all shakes out, as it will soon, you really need to not be here any longer.

 

the 75 or 80 percent of us who OBJECT ot the DICTATORSHIP and DESPOT RULE won't have it any other way when this is over with.

 

 

Comment by Dennis Cimino on October 17, 2011 at 5:22pm

Thanks, Sandy, Thoth, and whomever who's dropped into this discussion.  I did some public speaking today about 9/11 truth in a small group, only had '2' walk out on me.  I usually expect some attrition from these impromptu speaking gigs I do, but I had a good gang of followers.  Interestingly, all of them had no idea there was a 'clinker' in the bullshit story the government told about the TREASON of that day.

 

in any case, a few more eyes got opened wide.  I told them that it's incumbent on them to do the research and then to speak to their neighbors and friends about it.  I told them to expect the same response I got today, a small portion of idiots can't take it and they walk out.  Fine with me.  Let them.

 

All totaled this year, I would have to surmise that personally I have probably gotten thru to a few hundred maybe, and my guess is they grew the flock a bit themselves.  The one thing I see in eyes now is a very emotional 'wow, my gut feeling was right' kind of look in their eyes now.   I don't get the looks of disbelief and

or idiocy on their faces like I did in the beginning.  In all of the years since 9/11, I'd have to say I personally had reached several thousand, eyeball to eyeball.  I haven't been on the lecture circuit like Bob Bowman and some of the other pilots, but I have done extensive Civil Information work even without always being with a second person.  There are people in this movement who, like myself, have taken a lot of time to put together DVD's and VIDEO CD's and hand that stuff out in lots of places.  At one point I seeded an entire neighborhood with DVD's I had made.  Even had some of those been immediately tossed out, I have to think that at least 50 percent of them got looked at...maybe even passed around to others.  An electronic Johnny TruthSeed, so to speak!

 

anyway, not to drive a stake into the heart of all GOP'ers here, as the DINO's are exactly the same in virtually all respects now, almost to the last man, with very few exceptions....party differentiation is a wedge issue and

as much as I truly am pissed that the GOP fully facilitated the descent into DICTATORSHIP where we are now, they didn't do it on their own.  They had considerable help from the co-opted piles of slime on the other side of the aisle.  It's all one party now, the FASCIST DICTATORSHIP MURDER FOR ISRAEL party!!!  No need to fool one's self into thinking the DINO's are any less dangerous.  They're all joined at the goddamned hip now...like siamese salamander twins!  They should form their own SLIME party out of the combined fecal amalgamation of about 534 members of the Congress and Senate who are totally SCUM., as well as the POTUS and the piles of fascist shit called SCOTUS.

 

as our nation plunges head long into the long ugly path of Civil War, at some point we will have to make friends with some of these SCUM we've converted back into sensible human beings with TRUTH TELLING.

 

who knows, in 500 years if humans still inhabit this ball we're on, people might remember some of us for our work.  I sure hope so.  Maybe a lasting legacy of real freedom from FASCISM may be in the offing on the other side of this ugly mess we're about to undergo as we fight for the soul of FREEDOM across this nation.

 

I am so very honored and priveleged to have some of you as my compatriots here.  I truly am!

Comment by sandy rose on October 17, 2011 at 10:02am

i hope so, too.   we have undergone much shit.  the time is nigh.

tho what will change the course of shit is beyond me.

      many of us feel just as you have spoken, and i appreciate your

words.  it sucks beyond the thronghold that suck could have even imagined..

 

       many feel the same way but don't have quite as much in the poetic words..

 

        we are not alone, and in that we can keep some semblence of sanity.

 

       whonose if things will ever change.  it is hard to imagine.  the horrid SHIT

that the whirled has been thru has been hard to imagine, too, but here we are.

 

       i for one sure as shit don't know the answer.  what i do know is that truth

doesn't croak.  it doesn't die, or get distorted, or mushed into a bunch of lies...

 it is the Truth, no matter who does or doesn't like it, and we will always have

that on our sides, no matter how astrew or fucked up things get.  we will always

and consistently have the truth as our bud.  bff's til all eternity.

 

       it is enough to drive one nuts, i for that am sure, but we have what

is stronger than those fuckers will ever have, that is why we will continue,

and be strong, and puke in the face of assholes, and see it when they fib

to us on a regular basis, and we will always have each other, and the knowing

that there are SOOOOO many out there who feel the same way...

 

    .....remember that we are the ones who have gotten past the timidness to

say things out loud, and that many many many others feel the same way, even

if they leave it to those of us who will say it out loud.

     sometimes the well-being of humanity is more important than our wimpy lives.

 

      i am glad you have come to this group and wish more would lay out their

feelings for all to see.  for, what the heck  have we got to lose?

     (answer:   not much)

      love, sandy. 

      ps i like what i am hearing from a couple of buds, that the shit

is about to blow.  i don't feel that yet, but i like to hear it, anyway.

something sure should blow, for this shit should not go on forever.

       thanks, Dennis, you sure as shit ain't alone, you just voice it

more than most!             ........                        visit your happy place, i

know that sure as hell helps me a lot!!!!!@   and don't be a stranger!!!!@

 

 

 

Comment by Dennis Cimino on October 16, 2011 at 3:13pm

to Sandy,

years ago, some asshole told me that I should GTFO if I couldn't support the Antonin Scalia installment of moron boy Bush II in the Whore House as I call it at 1600 Penisveinia Avenue, and I had to look at him in astonishment.

 

these right wing brain dead freaks here, who are definitely the MINORITY of us, thank goodness, have this STFU attitude about their jingoistic half baked and misguided patriotic fervor for violence and death dealing by this coutry.  I'd love to shove a 'mole chaser' with Lee Greenwood's 'Proud to be an AmerdeKan' programmed into it, up each and every one of their sorry asses, after removing their pet gerbil, but that'd be too poetic of justice for them.

 

as an honorably discharged vet during that fandango in southeast asia, I kind of bristle when someone suggests that they have the decision making power to suggest the time for my departure from this nightmare.

 

I told the son of a bitch; "go put on a fucking uniform someday, asshole...and then, and only then, do you get the privilege to tell me when and how I should leave here, and furthermore....as virtually all of you in lockstep with the nazi bastard PUNKS in this country, as GOP whores for israel, almost to the last asshole are too cowardly to ever go sign up or put your own stinking ass into harm's way ever for anyone other than your own greedy ass..you might paint over that bright YELLOW coward stripe that runs up the center of your GOP butt"

 

not that republican's never serve, but by far and by large, most wouldn't get caught dead serving this country anything other than a shiv between her dying ribs to finish her off.  Almost to the last asshole, they are guilty of

a form of consentual subornation of TREASON by their very nature and actions.

 

That shut the son of a bitch up that day.  I told him that when he grew some balls between his sorry GOP legs, he might want to try to evict me for speaking TRUTH here, but his mouth was overriding his hummingbird sized gonads a tad there.  That pile of shit gave me a wide berth from that day forward around that building.

 

not that party affiliation determines the size of anyone's nuts.....it does kinda indicate the fact that they'll put their sorry assed GOP party and it's NAZISM goals of murder across the globe for ISRAEL, above their nation they mooch off of and fuck in the ass with their shitty and wholly selfish assholean policies of war mongering and death dealing.  All too few of them has the brains or the heart that their God gave to piss ants.

 

Comment by Dennis Cimino on October 16, 2011 at 2:54pm

it's hard to articulate this just as 'rage' now, but you'd think that if these Rothschilds choirboys were paying attention to the chatter in the various web based forums, they'd be packing up their shit and getting ready to move to the dark side of the goddamned moon soon.  We're approaching the Louis XVI moment here, and I do believe that being on the wrong side of that noose or guillotine blade is going to bode very badly for them all once they trip the trigger into the next phase.

 

being pissed at them was long ago.  in a way, part of me truly needs to see some of them dangling on ropes or without heads, just to feel normal again.  the need to see JUST US respelled back to it's normal JUSTICE, is

quite palpable and intense.  I'm so glad to know I'm not the only one who's feeling this.

 

When I saw that one scene in 'V for Vendetta' at the end where all of the people took off their masks and looked at Parliament being blown to smithereens, with a look of absolute resolute and steadfast solidarity and lack of fear, I was surprised the movie industry let that be released, because in reality when that moment comes globally by everyone wronged by these son's of bitches, it'll be so very satisfying to stand tall and proud with others and be absolutely fearlessly in their faces, watching them dangle on ropes till their legs quit kicking.

 

that moment is coming. It's be so satisfying to finally experience it when the final moments of their regime are here and there is no going back.  I hope we all stand united and resolutely against them on that day when it arrives.  And it will arrive. It has to come.  It must come.

Comment by sandy rose on October 16, 2011 at 9:27am

thank you, Dennis, for your heartfelt rage, and please know that many

of us share your rage and are a sick, depressed, halfway insane person for it.

i like for people to share their rage.  you are among folks who feel it, too.

i recently smashed a chair into the kitchen floor repeatedly, and one of

our best cooking pots, and then thought, whoa, sandy, what was that?

(i just lost my older brother, too, so that was part of it, but....)     yeah,

if we all put our collective rage and disgust and horror into one big huge

cast iron pot and stirred it just right......

      hey, i am rather surprised and delighted at our occupiers of wall freakin

street, and pleased that some have gotten out there to say their what fors...

i wish it would happen more often about the despicable wharres,.....it happens,

but we are constantly held back and non reported and even ridiculed, of course

by the assy nooze meeja,...   (who of course were also immensely guilty on 9/11)

     you are not alone, and yes, it does help to share our rages and know that

others are on our side.    i know it helps me  without a doubt.

     'we' (yew ess of aye) have done and continue doing most hideous shit indeed.

we suck as no one has ever sucked before.  well, not we the people, but the

pigfarts that have taken over this cuntry and intend to take the world, good luck

with that, you perverted warpigs,....

        it is very hard.  and thusly we need each other.  and many are too timid

to join in, for fear that our heads will get blown off for badmouthing our swine.

 

        it is a swell sign to see folks getting out on the street to say, stop your

fucking shit, you pathetic, heartless, evil, stinking bastards!   and tho protests

may differ in causes, be it asshole warmongers or corporate pigshits, that 'we'

are protesting, the people are many, and strong, and determined, and did i

mention many?   and all of our causes spill over into each other and

are all connected together...so never forget that you are so not freakin ever alone, and

thank you for sharing your rage.  i wish everyone here would.

 

                                                                  love, sandy.  ps keep the faith!

 

 

Comment by Dennis Cimino on October 16, 2011 at 8:48am

Thoth, I know where you're coming from!  I got tested early in childhood and then told that the smart thing to do with me was to advance me two grade levels so I wouldn't get 'bored' by the pedantic and mundane bullshit that they were going to force me to ingest anyway in those daycare sessions called public schools.  The brightest amongst us are severely punished for having the audacity of being born with a tad higher intellect than the average bear got.  I spent an entire career getting cornholed for being way ahead of the game, but I strode thru it and thought; "well, this must be the way it is..they punish me for a reason.." NOT!

 

The expenditures on the Roman Coliseum's for the blood sports and phony mock combat always seemed to me to be an obscenity, much in the same fashion that Ike Eisenhower warned us about pissing our future away on the toys of the M.I.C. here.  Nothing more stark and sobering than seeing a nuclear weapon detonation shockwave about 90 miles away ripple thru the sand in Nevada and splash the water out of the pool on the 15th floor of the building you're standing on the top of.  Serving in the military and getting serial numbers off 'brown striped' weapons (nukes) before they were struck down into the ship's missile magazine, made me wonder how much more insane it could get, to spend so much money on things that kill, when so much more could have been done with those funds to do genuine good for mankind.

 

Here where I live I am watching the public works projects going on as if they will make any difference when the whole economic system here implodes from the 40 plus years of out of control LOOTING that has ensued thru most of my life.  I keep pinching myself to wake up from this nightmare but it is not working.  Not unlike "Being There" where Peter Sellers kept trying to change the channel with his clicker on the street after he wandered out, I can't find m clicker to change this channel, though I desperately have been looking for it.

 

I bet you are a lot like me in that you saw such potential in humans only to slowly watch the hope thru your own lifetime ebb and fade into a distant memory.

 

I can't believe this is happening.  If I thought a good dose of thorazine could get me to snap out of this shit, I'd drive to the local hospital and pay them for the shot.  This is very very hard to accept, that it has come to this.

 

but as I said in my prior answer here, I've seen way too much nightmare in the past couple days to not wonder where the antidote to this reality is at.  A caring human being could become a raging alcoholic in this shit we are knee deep in on our coffee break in hell.   I'm not liking it much, and I gather most of you aren't either.

Comment by Dennis Cimino on October 16, 2011 at 8:29am

Well, the thoughtful replies I get here in this blog seem to give me some hope as the Empire we are trapped within a horrific nightmare of, is ending, or so it would appear.  I watched a video of a NYC pile of shit (policeman) haul off and punch a woman in the face, and down she went.  Honestly, had I been there, I would have killed him with my bare hands had I been within striking distance of him after that...it'd been hard not to choke that bastard till he quit twitching.  There is never a time nor a place for that kind of crap from any government official, yet just days ago the main sack of shit who is allegedly but not truly 'in charge' of the nation, blew up a carload of guys in Yemen and said that the force there was justified because he had consulted with lawyers.  Truly it doesn't get much more damned sick or demented than that shit, yet when I think I've seen it all, in 24 hours, some asshole in this government proves me very 'wrong' about that assessment.

 

Our nation is a hair's breadth away fom a CIVIL WAR at the least, and a REVOLUTION on top of that, as I type this.  I know the rest of you feel it, almost a P-wave kind of rumble you get just before a major earthquake begins and shakes the living snakeshit out of you and crumbles the building you happen to be standing in, as has happened twice in my life so far.  When the line is crossed and the first unarmed protester is murdered either in New York or whatever city that happens in, there will be no putting that genie back into any bottle after that.  The cities will erupt in incomprehensible levels of violence.  Our nation will collapse inwards like a soggy house of cards that it is in a shit storm.  We are so close I can just about smell the stench of burning buildings and torched police cars.  If my gut instincts are correct, we won't see Christmas without Martial Law being invoked by this pile of putrid puppet shit in Washington, D.C.   This is all hurtling forward into a probable war with Iran, which will be a global conflagration beyond anyone's wildest nightmares...all for the sake of Israel.

 

I don't know what was hardest for me the past couple days, seeing the dead veteran being hauled out of the VAMC under a rumpled up wadded up half assed barely covering him, flag, with two funeral home turds joking and talking as if they were taking out the trash, or if seeing the video of the woman being punched in the face in  New York.  Not too long ago I was in Long Island, and though I had worked in New York a few times in my career, I found it to be a shithole ratrace that defied logic and explanation, and knowing that an older lady was just closed fist punched there while protesting for ALL OF OUR RIGHTS to a fair shake, was just a bit too much for me.  I truly would have killed that son of a bitch with my bare hands had I been there and witnessed that.

 

We're on the brink.  Like a punch drunk sailor in some Naples 'gut' sidestreet, about to topple over and get rolled here.  This is not going to end too very nicely, this collision with the wall at 212 mph. like Gordon Smiley did years ago at Indy 500.  This nation is going to suffer the paroxysm of violent bloody strife the likes it has not seen since the last Civil War.  I feel it as surely as I feel the wind on my face when I go outside.

 

All of you in this blog give me hope, but our time is running out.  Our message has not had the desirable effect of staving off the bloodshed and the mass murder about to ensue...no matter how hard we all have tried to do that.  We are on the fucking brink.  And there is no chandelle maneuver I could fly to do a course reversal with the vertical cliffs just ahead here.   We are about to enter a true caca storm the likes none of us has seen in our lifetimes.  And I fear for all of us and what we may be forced to witness and endure as this nation disintegrates around us.  Your comments make it a bit easier to face it

Comment by Thoth II on October 16, 2011 at 8:01am

all very true,

 

and I believe one huge reason for this moron like people begins in our childhood with TV.  I remember watching endless hours of TV in the 60s , and still can remember the cute ad jingles like, "slinky, it's slinky,", etc., remember all those?  Plus, being an A student all my life, they ridiculed me and ostracized me, what a bunch of fools that would ridicule their smart people.  Outside my window I see they are building a beautiful new football stadium with an elaborate set of roads.  I've never in my life seen so many resources put into a construction project, but it is only for the football team.  

Comment by sandy rose on October 16, 2011 at 6:54am

thanks Dennis, for your comment about the blog jackass.

 

i agree.   however, i also think it's easy for things to seem to us

that almost all people in this eeew ess of aye are braindead, stupid,

non-seeing, blindly stumbling idiots, because we haven't stopped

our mass murderers yet.  and no doubt many do just go along with

whatever their gummy bears tell them and look no farther than the

end of their butt.......howEVER, i like to think, and my many protest

pictures are here to show, that there are WAYYYYYYY more in the

know/ hating what 'our' gummint does/suspicious about 9/11/New Orleans/

JFK, all the hideous wars, etc.  i mean to say, we ain't gonna see it on

the nightly nooze, but there are freakin throngs and throngs of us spread

all about the world that know, and hate it, and disagree with most of what

our gummint does, etc etc etc.  we just don't see it in our day to day

lives and it becomes easy to think we're few and far between. 

     i bleeve if everyone wore signs on their chests labeling themselves as

to what they believed, we would feel much less alone.

      i believe there are millions of our kind, all over the world, and that

we are very not alone and should remind ourselves of that on a daily basis.

(that's also in case anyone wonders why i have umpteen protest pictures.)

 

      but i get what you are saying and we do have our share of braindead,

trusting followers of the flying monkeys, too.

      am enjoying your comments and your sense of humor.  dig the participation.

you get an A+ from me. 

 

 

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