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Who are the real "bad guys" in the world today?

Who are the real bad-guys in the world today?
Check out the tally-sheet below and then decide who needs
to be afraid of whom.
 
 From Michael Rivero:
 
"Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!
 

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel stages incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombs Syria, again insisting they are destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there is no evidence to support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacks Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out.In February 2008 Israel again raids Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agrees to a cease fire and keeps it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacks, killing 6 HAMAS members, launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, are killed. Israel loses 13 soldiers. Violations of international law include the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigates, but Israel refuses to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacks an international aid flotilla bring food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people are murdered including an American from New York. Add to it the numerous assassinations such as last year's embarrassment in Dubai, and you get the picture, even without the overtly racist and apartheid statements coming from Israel's rabbis.

 

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?"

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Iran+most+significant+threat+wo...

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Comment by Dennis Cimino on October 15, 2011 at 11:18pm

I don't know if you can call 'blind parroting of bullshit' a 'belief' per-se, as any parakeet can be taught to try to repeat simple phrases, but certainly there is no higher reasoning capability going on there of any kind in that less than a thimble full of brain material between the ear lobes (humans, not parakeets).

 

Joseph Goebbels figured out that if you want to push propaganda, if you tell a big enough 'lie' over and over again, that eventually the people will ultimately come to believe it is 'truth' then.  Rupert Murdoch has that bullshit mastered with the slick delivery system in the short skirts at Faux Noize Chunnel, and morons in this country get that shit poured on their paper thin skulls in this torture gulag nightmare shithole, about 24/7, and it just never ends.  In some public venues you can't even turn it off without getting into fisticuffs with some dork who absolutely must get their 'garbage' fix from that tube.

 

if you immerse a nation up to it's eyeballs in BULLSHIT, it becomes BULLSHIT.  you cannot be inundated with the crap for so many hours of every day without being polluted by it somehow.  I have for years not owned a television set, and though my girlfriends and spouses had them, I was loathe to sit in front of one without my internal gag reflex being triggered from the crap being pumped out of them.

 

people here are so propaganda brainwashed that virtually any bullshit story or lie can be told to them on that box or the radio in their car from the ultra CIA controlled bullshit stations, that there should be a 12 step deprogramming process for morons in this country we live in.  this place has gotten so brainwashed that it reminds me of the end scene in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" where Jeff Goldblum sees his old pal again, played by Donald Sutherland, and then Sutherland points at him and shrieks because he's been turned into one of the aliens himself.  Some days it's very hard to stay here in this nightmare here, after having lived in Europe for years and seeing that there IS an alternative to this wholly fake and bullshit lifestyle elsewhere.

 

I so hated rotating back to this nightmare. It was a huge, huge mistake.  On most days I wish I had never, ever gotten on that flight in Milan to return to this bullshit.

 

This place is like a goddamned insane asylum, truly.  Propagandized to the point of utter lunacy, and with a population wholly bereft of any empathy or capability to feel anything for fellow citizens, other than apathetic and expressionless, remorseless artificial anger based solely upon political bullshit rammed down their throats by the media..  there are days when merely walking amongst people here becomes so objectionably hard to do that the urge to get on a plane and just go anywhere, far from this nightmare, is very hard to resist.  If it didn't require a 'visa' to get the hell out of this nuthouse, I would have left a long time ago and never looked back.

Comment by Thoth II on October 15, 2011 at 5:51pm
good point, how do people form beliefs?  Scientifically ?  or just pronouncement by peers, journalists, and govt. officials.  On this forum we are painfully aware of the answer to this.
Comment by Dennis Cimino on October 15, 2011 at 1:16pm

just yesterday I found a blog entry from some jackass that was informing people who were calling these murderous ventures of this nation 'out' into broad daylight, to; "GTFO" (get the fuck OUT) for openly denouncing this murdering and ceaseless death dealing and suppression of people who never ever deserved that kind of thing from anyone, let alone us.

 

for some unknown reason, for lack of a better explanation, the fluoride in the water and the incessant, 24/7 propagandized TV and Radio here, must have turned a good number of people's higher reasoning and cognitive thinking skills completely OFF in the U.S., for so many to be in the G.T.F.O. column.

 

the most common excuse I get from the ones who blindly adhere to; "well, if America does it, it's not a WAR CRIME" gig, is that they either disagree altogether with what the U.S. has done, or they claim that basically people here are 'good' and didn't know about the murder fests.  that's tantamount to me going up to you and telling you that some person standing far across the room 'hates your guts for your freedom' and you must go over and beat the living shit out of him or her or they'll HURT you and I, so better go do it right away (preemption) and of course, you go do it, and then later your defense is that you were mislead so you're totally off the hook altogether.

 

doesn't work that way.  being ignorant and mislead is no excuse.  continually supporting the blind jingoistic blood festivals and death dealing and just senseless aggression against those who neither harmed us nor intended to, is flat disingenuous and fraudulent.

 

people here know what the hell this country is and what it does.

 

supporting that agenda for whatever reason is so very very wrong that no amount of prozac or fluoride or TV can whitewash it away and make it all better.

 

it's my hope that in time that the nations like THIS ONE are culled out of the international herd and made into

the well deserved PARIAH that they are, and totally isolated in every way so that nobody will trade with them, buy their goods, or allow their citizens passage thru or into their countries because of what these very people have so adroitly and proudly supported their entire lives.   even though this is a form of group punishment, it's the best approach to fighting this jingoistic murdering going on by our people, indirectly, in their support of a government that is blatantly killing and destroying innocent lives across this globe on the behalf of ISRAEL.

 

in time, people here will get it.  if they don't, they deserve to live in a THIRD WORLD toilet for their inability to come to grips with what they hell they have supported and aided all of their lives.

 

that may be harsh, but that, I'm sorry to say, is the only way to stop assholes like this here.

 

ISOLATE them!

Comment by sandy rose on October 15, 2011 at 6:53am

omg.  it's been so horrifying and depressing and downright sad

and shameful to 'see' over the years, (especially us older varieties)

one by one all the countries we have brutally and heartlessly attacked.

countries full of people like you and me who never did anything to us,

brutally murdered by our blood/oil/power/munny- thirsty pigs.   but to

see them all strung out together in a long list, uggg.  truly nauseating.

no wonder some of us cringe when we see patriotism here leaping and

frollicking, flags waving, fireworks bursting in air....    while 'we' do such

horrific, unthinkable (white phosphorus), awful, heartless CRIMES all

over the world.    how 'humans' can do that to one another is beyond me.

      it still baffles me that the whole rest of the world hasn't yet all ganged

up on us and blown us to smitherenes, but they're not the violent warmongers,

(except israel), WE are. 

      may be that we have to implode our own country for it to ever end.

in a lot of ways it seems that is already happening, but with the regular

people, not the filthy rich white pigs.    i don't think it would be too far-

fetched to think that our filthy rich and the gummint would just as well

the rest of us starved to death as homeless dirty slobs on the street.

       terrorists r us.  not a whole lot to be proud of here. 

 

      

 

Comment by Dennis Cimino on October 15, 2011 at 3:07am

well, Rivero is pretty right on this one.  in some ways he takes issue with our 'reality' of what took place at the Pentagon and calls people like you and myself "NO PLANERS" and vehemently attacks us, so Mike, as much as I tend to concur with almost everything he says, diverges with my own knowing of what happened at the Pentagon that day because he espouses that a B-757 hit the Pentagon.

 

but back on point, the U.S. has been the real bad guy in the world for almost every single day of it's 238 or so years of existence after it declared 'false' independence from the British Crown under King George III.

 

We have murdered so many people, unjustly, across this globe, either thru direct military action, or via clandestine CIA murders, coups, insurrections, etc.  There is not one piece of this ball we live on that has not been touched by American wrongdoing and extreme hubris.

 

There were '3' photos that personified the things that America is: One, a 'monk' self-immolating in protest of our

policy of murderous genoicide for the Oil Companies in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam police action, and then there was the vietnamese girl running with her flesh hanging off her body from a Napalm attack, who later moved to the U.S. after she was treated for those burns we caused.  And there was the scene in Saigon of a suspected NVA infiltrator being summarily shot in the head and executed in the street.

 

This sums up what America has and always will be.  An out of control,murderous cabal of barely human things walking around with this concept that it has some form of 'exceptionalism' that protects it from harm.

 

the sad truth is, it has a shitload of very very ugly Karma coming to it. It's roosting now...coming home to the nation that has killed far more people globally than virtually every other nation has ever mass murdered.

 

This is the nation that used '2' nuclear weapons against civilians in Japan, which was wholly not necessary, as the Japanese High Command and the Emperor were in the process of capitulating.

 

The long long long bloody list that Mike Rivero compiled is pretty comprehensively complete.  How any human being on this earth can call America a nation under RULE OF LAW is just absurd and insanely ridiculous, and wholly unsubstantiated by any facts.

 

This is a Charnel House of Horrrors and Murder here. No More, and certainly NO LESS than that.

 

so I agree with Mike Rivero's very very very comprehensive and realistic appraisal of us.

 

Except for his incredibly pollyanish naivete about the Pentagon attack, he has, in my opinion, one of the better information websites on-line today, with incredibly comprehensive and well thought out information with the sole exception being his assessments about the events of Sept. 11, 2001.

 

He's a LIHOP guy, more or less.  And therefore, I respectfully disagree with him there.

 

overall, there are few American's with the ability to cut to the chase, with that sole exception maybe, better than Mike Rivero has and continues to do.  He is, in my opinion, truly a 'real' Patriot, deserving of a great deal of respect, in spite of his assessment about what took place in the U.S. on Sept. 11th., particularly the Pentagon attack fraud where no B-757 struck that building that day, flown by Hani Hanjour.

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