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"The Thermite Gang", the Mormon Connection, the ClearChannel Connection

Just some random mental associations I am making about the 9-11 truth movement and current state of our nation. 

 

I was thinking back to my original posting on this forum where actually Dr. Fetzer posted a transcript I did of Debra Medina, former Texas gubernatorial candidate, on a Clear Channel (Romeny Bain Capital owned) Fort Worth TX, radio station, denyimg that she ever entertained ideas of 9-11 truth from her supporters. 

 http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/texas-911-truth-update-from

 

I just see that mormon Dr. Steven Jones, as the orginal "thermite gang:" leader, was very much a part of the Romney Clear Channel gang.  Also, many of Alex Jones Infowars broadcasts are syndicated on Clear Channel stations and that is why, I think, Alex Jones so carefully adhered to the thermite gang's message for so many years.  It is all connected with the media outlets for his show and his sponsors.

 

 

Remember what Dr. Morgan Reynolds wrote to describe them

 

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:21:47 -0500 [11:21:47 AM CDT]
From: "Morgan Reynolds"

 

""I am widely accused of discrediting the 9/11 truth movement but it is Gage/Jones/and the rest of their gang that does so. There is no substantive case for thermite or its variants playing a significant role in turning the WTC (mostly) to fine dust. Theirs is a distraction, a limited hangout, a fall back story for the perps who, once the 9/11official version I fairy tale lies in ruins, trot out version II: muslim terrorists used internally-placed explosives to bring down the WTC—ridiculous version II. ""

 

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/bain-capital-owns-clear-channel...

 

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 want everyone to remember that for many years, from approximately late 2004 through early 2010, Dr. Jones and the thermite gang TOTALLY AVOIDED the idea of "inside job" and totally avoided the part of the official story regarding hijackers and planes.  The thermite gang really did, in a most dishonest way, want to maintain the idea of Islamic hijackers planting the thermite.

 

I just have a feeling that the entire Mormon, right wing, right wing "patirot movement", and thermite gang and Clear Channel media may be a very sophisticated insider CIA operation. 

 

I do not recall the Thermite Gang ever much mentioning Building 7 or the term "controlled demolition" until early 2010.  It is only then, after about 5 or 6 years of their very limited [hangout]  thermite narrative, that the Thermite Gang moved on to the "inside job" narrative and still they did not use the Inside Job term, with the possible exception of Dr. Neils Harritt using it once at the Toronto Conference.

Dr. Steven Jones has moved off the scence, and really since Mr. Hightower's exposure of thermite being falsely presented as an explosive, even Dr. Harritt and all of the main body of the original Thermite Gang's material has faded from the stage. 

I cannot help but think that the "Building What?" campaign is just the latest scene in the play by the same Thermite Gang.

 

There entire 9-11 truth information was controlled from the beginning by what I now see as this covert operation and alliance between Clear Channel, Mormons, "conservatives" and right wing, and most of the main first 9-11 truth websites and spokespersons. and the "thermite" meme, are all one big CIA psy op. 

 

I want to point out that Mitt Romney has recently been exposed as a vulture capitalist as Bain Capital's modus operandi.

 

 
When Mitt Romney Came to Town
 
Ron Paul says he is fully supportive of Romney and his vulture capitalism ways...
 
 
 

Paul backs Romney’s record at Bain Capital

By Seth McLaughlin

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The Washington Times

Tuesday, January 10, 2012

 

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So here we have Ron Paul being joined to supporting all of these Mormon - Bain Capital finanacial terrorism operations    Ron Paul, like Debra Medina, betrayed everyone regarding 9-11 truth. (Actually I am beginning to think of capitalism as state-sponsored usury.   Do not know of solutions but know  usury is destructive with a capital D and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the common good or the moral law.)

 

 

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Friday, January 13, 2012

Bain Capital Owns Clear Channel (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn...

Michael Snyder, Contributing Writer
Activist Post

Wouldn't it be great if a Republican presidential candidate could just buy the support of just about every major conservative talk show host in America?  Well, it may not be as far-fetched as you may think.

Clear Channel owns more radio stations (850) than anyone else in the United States.  They also own Premiere Radio Networks, the company that syndicates the radio shows of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck, among others.

Needless to say, Clear Channel basically owns conservative talk radio in the United States.  So who owns Clear Channel?

Well, it turns out that Bain Capital is one of the primary owners of Clear Channel.  Yes, you read that correctly.  The company that Mitt Romney ran for so long is one of the "big bosses" over virtually all conservative talk radio in America.

Of course Mitt Romney is not running Bain Capital anymore.  He is a "retired partner", but he still has a huge financial stake in Bain Capital.  We're talking about millions upon millions of dollars.  If you doubt this, just check out page 34 of this public financial disclosure report.  So if you have been wondering why so many conservative talk show hosts are being so incredibly kind to Mitt Romney, this just might be the answer.


In the media world, there is a clear understanding that you simply do not bite the hand that feeds you.  Some of the most prominent conservative talk radio hosts are earning tens of millions of dollars a year.

If you were making tens of millions of dollars a year, wouldn't you be very careful to avoid offending your boss?

The deal in which Bain Capital became one of the owners of Clear Channel was initiated just a short time before Mitt Romney's first run for president.  The following comes from Wikipedia....
On November 16, 2006, Clear Channel announced plans to go private, being bought out by two private-equity firms, Thomas H. Lee Partners and Bain Capital Partners for $18.7 billion, which is just under a 10 percent premium above its closing price of $35.36 a share on November 16 (the deal values Clear Channel at $37.60 per share).
The deal was finalized in 2008.  Today, Bain Capital is still one of the primary owners of Clear Channel.

One of the subsidiaries of Clear Channel is Premiere Radio Networks.

Premiere Radio Networks distributes a whole host of conservative talk radio shows.  Everyone in the conservative world knows names such as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck.  Clear Channel also controls some other conservative talk radio hosts (such as Michael Savage and Mark Levin) that are not part of the Premiere Radio family.

The power that Premiere Radio Networks has is absolutely staggering.  The following is directly from the official Clear Channel website....
Premiere Radio Networks Inc., a subsidiary of Clear Channel Communications, syndicates 90 radio programs and services to more than 5,000 radio affiliations and reaches over 190 million listeners weekly.  Premiere Radio is the number one radio network in the country and features the following personalities:  Rush Limbaugh, Jim Rome, Casey Kasem, Ryan Seacrest, Glenn Beck, Bob (Kevoian) & Tom (Griswold), Delilah, Steve Harvey, Blair Garner, George Noory, John Boy and Billy, Big Tigger, Dr. Dean Edell, Bob Costas, Sean Hannity and others. Premiere is based in Sherman Oaks, California, with 13 offices nationwide.
So do you think that any of those hosts is going to risk viciously attacking Mitt Romney and Bain Capital during this election season?

Not likely.

One of the controversies that has plagued Premiere Radio Networks in recent years has been the uproar over their use of paid actors to call in to their radio shows.

The following comes from Wikipedia....
Clear Channel, through its subsidiary, Premiere Radio Networks, auditions and hires actors to call in to talk radio shows and pose as listeners in order to provide shows, carried by Clear Channel and other broadcasters, with planned content in the form of stories and opinions. The custom caller service provided by Premiere Radio ensures its clients they won't hear the same actor's voice for at least two months in order to appear authentic to listeners who might otherwise catch on.
So perhaps that explains where some of the "Romney callers" come from.

There is nothing illegal about what Romney and Bain Capital have done, but it sure does not pass the "smell test".

Conservative talk radio has the potential to sway millions of conservative voters in one direction or another, and it is just not proper for Bain Capital and Romney to have such an overpowering financial interest in conservative talk radio.

And, yes, Mitt Romney is still bringing in lots of money from Bain Capital.  The following comes from a Wikipedia article about Mitt Romney....
At the time of his departure, Romney negotiated an agreement with Bain Capital that allowed him to receive a passive profit share as a retired partner in some Bain Capital entities, including buyout and investment funds.[62][57] With the private equity business continuing to thrive, this deal would bring him millions of dollars in income each year.[57] As a result of his business career, by 2007 Romney and his wife had a net worth of between $190 and $250 million, most of it held in blind trusts.[62] An additional blind trust existed in the name of the Romneys' children and grandchildren that was valued at between $70 and $100 million as of 2007.[63] The couple's net worth remained in the same range as of 2011, and was still held in blind trusts.
In addition, Bain Capital and Bain & Company continue to pour huge amounts of money into Romney's campaign coffers.

Just check out the following list of the biggest donors to the Romney campaign.  These numbers come from opensecrets.org....

Goldman Sachs $367,200
Credit Suisse Group $203,750
Morgan Stanley $199,800
HIG Capital $186,500
Barclays $157,750
Kirkland & Ellis $132,100
Bank of America $126,500
PriceWaterhouseCoopers $118,250
EMC Corp $117,300
JPMorgan Chase & Co $112,250
The Villages $97,500
Vivint Inc $80,750
Marriott International $79,837
Sullivan & Cromwell $79,250
Bain Capital $74,500
UBS AG $73,750
Wells Fargo $61,500
Blackstone Group $59,800
Citigroup Inc $57,050
Bain & Co $52,500

As with anything, whenever you want to get to the real truth you just need to follow the money.

Earlier this week, Sean Hannity told Rick Perry that his attacks on Mitt Romney's time at Bain Capital sounded like something that "Occupy Wall Street" would say.

Just the other day, Rush Limbaugh compared Rick Perry to Fidel Castro and rabidly defended Mitt Romney on his radio program....
'There’s no way you can try to dress that up,' Limbaugh fumed. 'I don’t understand it. Well, politically I understand it, but that’s just absurd. It’s sad. ‘Cause I really, really, really like Rick Perry! I really do. I had such hopes! I did. I’ll tell you, I did, but all of this talk about “corporate raiders,” and as I listen to politicians start talking about capitalism, lights are going off in my head. Maybe they don’t really know what it is. Maybe they’re under some misconception about what capitalism is, because this characterization of it? A distinction with venture capitalism and vulture capitalism? This bite from Perry doesn’t compute.'
So why are these conservative talk show hosts defending Mitt Romney so furiously?

I think now we know.

It is all about the money.

When you have enough money, you can get conservative talk show hosts to promote an extremely liberal candidate.

Yes, of course Bain Capital does not "control" what these talk show hosts say.

Yes, of course some of the talk show hosts toss some light criticism at Romney from time to time.

But they simply do not go after Romney like they should.

The truth is that Mitt Romney is really a Democrat that is masquerading as a Republican.  When you closely examine his record, he is very similar to Obama.

There is no way in the world that any self-respecting conservative should ever cast a single vote for him.

But right now Mitt Romney is running away with the race for the Republican nomination.

If Republicans can be fooled this badly, is there any hope for the future of the Republican Party?
 
This article first appeared here at the American Dream.  Michael Snyder is a writer, speaker and activist who writes and edits his own blogs The American Dream and Economic Collapse Blog.

 

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On real Deal, dr Fetzer interviewed Lyle Slaughter and I am very, very suspicious of mormon involvement in 911 plus just penetrating the govt. and intel agencies; they are another subversive force.  I also believe Jim Marrs is correct that NAZIs have infilitrated the american govt. too.  mitt Romney just puts my suspicions up another notch.

The Republican Party has been a psyop from the beginning, enacting socialism of the fascist or right-wing variety if you prefer under false pretenses.  Left-wing, right-wing, there's not a dime's worth of difference among socialists, to alter George Wallace's phrase a bit.  It's still submission to TPTB who ultimately control Big Government, which leaves virtually no aspect of life unregulated.  Mitt Romney is an entirely normal, mainstream, war monger, BG Republican.  No need, really, to put welfare/warfare Big Government in front of Republican.  Maybe he's slightly more obvious than the likes of Newt, Rick, and others.  Republicans were rotten from the beginning, if you know your history, with communists from the failed revolution of 1848 and that smooth-talking liar, centralizer, power-mad traitor and mass murderer, Abraham Lincoln, forming the party that, in turn, transformed a freedom-loving, commercial, constitutional republic built on decentralized state sovereignty into a coerced, centralized, secession-free empire.  http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan30.htm  http://www.amazon.com/Red-Republicans-Lincolns-Marxists-Marxism/dp/...  It was the Jeffersonian Democrats that made up the party of limited government until TPTB guy Woodrow Wilson transformed it into the global-crusading party of empire.

Jeannon, there is nothing wrong with Ron Paul's statement (The 12-term congressman told The Washington Times that while Mr. Romney has his faults, “it astounds me” that Republican presidential candidates would rip his work as a venture capitalist and said that “they don’t sound like they are Republicans").  Nothing wrong here except they do sound like Republicans!  Scientists, engineers, savers, investors (including venture capitalists like Bain) and entrepreneurs create prosperity and productive jobs with rising real pay in a decentralized, free-enterprise system, not bureaucrats, more bureaucrats, politicians, and more politicians.  Until we find that Bain Capital committed crimes, we should presume innocence until proven guilty. 

A horizontal system works best (separation of economy and state), not the vertical, top-down system that is statism/socialism. God awful, rotten stuff that is.  What the h**l is wrong with Sam Walton or Steven Jobs seeking out investors and borrowing savers' funds through intermediaries to fulfill their productive dreams of serving industry and consumers?  Not a damned thing (except they get rich?  BULL).  Or what is wrong with Jeannon's or my dream of opening a peaceful, small business?  Nothing.  Capitalism, not statism, lifted all boats historically first in the western world, basically beginning in the late 18th century with the "industrial revolution" in Britain, otherwise smeared as dark, Satanic mills. 

Dr. Reynolds, I appreciate the depth of knowledge you bring us.  I just think it should not be too difficult to prove that Bain Capital committed crimes.  There are many other corporations who have been operating the same way as Bain Capital for many years.  Agree with information about Lincoln and socialist party R.

 

It seems blatantly unlawful for venture capitalists to do the following, and if there are no such laws, then that supports my suspicion that the problem is what we call "capitalism."

 

 

http://maxkeiser.com/

"ZOMBINOMICS 101: LBO Job Creation

STEP 1: Find underpriced and under leveraged public companies that are generating tons of excess cashflow. Borrow tons of money to purchase them and take them “private.” Pay yourself tons of closing and management fees.

STEP 2: Strip and sell off non-core assets. Maximize operating efficiencies (a euphemism for restructuring the workforce, i.e., you’re fired!) in order to service tons of new debt, pay yourself ongoing management fees and special dividends.

STEP 3A: Wait for the right opportunity to exit via a strategic sale or IPO. Collect more fees. Fire some more employees for good measure.

STEP 3B: Blow the company up  and liquidate everything. Collect more fees. Fire all the employees.

STEP 3C: Bankruptcy– pass the whole piece of junk your distressed asset team. Collect more fees. Somebody’s going to get fired.

Job Creation: Hire more associates and analysts to look for more LBO deals.

Q: Hey Banzai, private equity doesn’t work that way anymore, right?  There’s just too much competition for too few deals.

A: Perhaps, but this is how it worked when Swamney was the…LBO LOVE GURU!  "

 

 

G. K. Chesterton said usury devours and destroys: “It is a gigantic heap of debt, like a heap of dirt. It is a heap of debts hoarded until they have gone bad.  It is now a heap of bad debts which a little more bad debt will send toppling into the mire.”

This is a scholar's forum?  Where is the scholarship?  What scholars?  Eludes me.  If it's "not too difficult to prove that Bain Capital committed crimes," then make your criminal charges and prove up each element with evidence.  You offer zippo.  And "many other corporations who have been operating the same way as Bain Capital for many years"?  What the H?  "Many others"?  "The same way"?  What the H way is that?  I've got no idea.  Name these companies and offer evidence for their perfidy.  Bring these charges to the attention of the authorities. 

Zero evidence for zero crimes and I'm supposed to swoon with the power of these accusations?  Not.  Your assertions are a nullity, not even up to the level of propaganda which often is persuasive because well-done.  All I see is prejudice: "an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason. "

The Max Keiser rant, intended to be humorous I guess, is proof of ...what?  Government should kill the last elements of venture capitalism?  Mitt Romney?  Gimmee a break.  Stick to 9/11, you know something about that.

 

 

"Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's not a crime. If your actions hurt or harm other people, isn't that generally considered a crime? How did Ken Lay end up in prison, and not any of the current lot? Why did SEC investigate Enron's crash and not Wall Street's? "

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/everything-you-... 

 

I think 911 is false flag terrorism and I think Wall Street's  financial terrorism are subjects much related.

I may not know what the law is specifically and cannot "prove it up" in a court of law, but many of us have been enlightened by Max Keiser and Matt Taibi about Wall Street's ways.  We know greed,  lying, cheating, stealing and murdering when we see it.

We see the total corruption of our legal system and our government as well as all of our societal institutions including banking and finance.

You may find all of that perfectly legal and admirable as "venture captialism."

I do not.

 

 

When someone comes in and kills a company and kills the livelihood of many people and puts them out of their homes and on the streets, they have caused serious and deliberate harm to others.  I know you think that is perfectly legal and not a crime and should be supported because it at least evidence that we have some "venture capital" still in existence.  I do not think it is moral and if it is legal, it should not be.  It is a crime.

 

Companies are supposed to operate to make a profit and be productive and grow, not be entities to be used for rape and pillage and profit by crooks like Romney.

 

 Max Keiser worked many years on Wall Street and knows the "ethics" in operation there.  That is why he got out and expatriated.  I do not personally support Keiser but I do repect his knowledge of finance and markets and the economy.  He has helped many of us see what is really going on and people like Keiser and Matt Taibbi are calling it for what it is - "financial terrorism."

 

Mormon Paul Drockton has written several articles exposing Romney, however, like you,  he thinks Ron Paul is right in supporting Romney's actions with Bain Capital. 

http://www.moneyteachers.org/Romneyintown.htm

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Romney bankrupted 4 relatively large companies for fun and personal profit. It seems that he really does enjoy firing people. Romney is accused of running "pump and dump" schemes whereby:

 

1. Bain Capital takes over a company

 

2. Romney drastically cuts payroll (fires employees) to raise company profits and starves production.

 

3. Lehman rates the company as a "strong buy" and the stock surges.

 

4. Romney heavily leverages the company with debt to sell his and Bain's stock in the company at a ridiculous profit.

 

5. Once Romney and Bain milk the company for all its worth, the stock price collapses.

 

6. Since Romney ran a Hedge Fund, it is more than likely that he and Bain also made a fortune in Put Options on the company's declining stock.

 

In one example:

 

"KB Toys was purchased and taken private in 2000 by the leveraged buyout firm of Bain Capital for $305 million, Bain announced the purchase on Dec. 8th, 2000. Only $18 million  of the purchase money was cash, the rest was borrowed against the assets of the company. Sixteen months after the buyout, Bain Capital paid itself $85 million in dividends in early 2002. Two years later, due to...   its enormous debt, on January 14, 2004, K·B Toys filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and closed 365 stores.

 

K·B closed 156 stores on November 8, 2007. The Gordon Brothers Group  handled the liquidation of these stores. On February 9, 2009, K·B closed the remaining stores following the second bankruptcy filing in four years. In addition, K·B Toys' website was closed down.

 

The K·B Toys brand and related intangible assets were sold by Streambank LLC to Toys R Us on September 4, 2009 for a reported $2.1 Million." (Source)

 

 

Romney and Bain cost America 16,000 jobs when they took down KB Toys. "

 

This is your loving legal  "venture capitalism" .

 

Other Drockton articles...

http://www.moneyteachers.org/Romneylooter.html

 

Mitt Romney does Ampad

 

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Once again, "Mitt the Pirate" follows the same old pattern used by the Robber Barons of old.

1. Invest a minimum amount of cash ($5 million).

2. Leverage the purchase by borrowing against company assets and future revenues.

3. Massive job cuts to boost profits and swell the balance sheet  before taking the company public.

4. Pump and then dump the stock on investors that actually believe the ratings agencies that, in my opinion, are in Bain and Romney's pocket.

Here is the history of Ampad Stock:

July 2, 1996:     $15.13 - IPO Price

Jan. 27, 1997:   $26.00 - Peak

Sep 16, 1997:     $13.13 - Stock loses 42% of its value

Nov 1, 1999:       35 cents - Ampad looks to sell assets to reduce debt

Jan 14, 2000:   15 cents - Ampad forced into bankruptcy (Ibid)


In other words, after Bain and Romney sold their stock holdings, making an estimated 45 million dollars, The stock plummets and, more than likely, Romney's Hedge Funds make millions more by shorting the stock (buying Put Options) on the collapsing stock.

The make millions when the stock goes up, and they make millions as the stock plummets. "
 
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Mormon Paul Drockton again on Romney
 
 
Paul Drockton: Is Mitt Romney a CIA/Mossad Asset?
 
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Paul Drockton: Did Romney's Bain Plunder Howard Hughes?

 

 

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http://www.nationalmemo.com/article/bain-subsidies-romney

 

Bain Capitalism: Subsidies, Tax Breaks -- And Bust-Outs?

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Mon, 01/16/2012 - 8:47am — 

 

More on Romney's and Bain Capitals lovely "legal" ways.

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As far as other companies,

NIA (National Inflation Association) has been cited by Peter Schiff as a "pump and dump" scheme.

 

He states this is an old scam and many other companies have run pump and dump schemes.  I cannot name all of the companies, but I believe he, like Keiser and Taibbi, is knowledgeable on the subject.

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Morgan,

Some day you should check out my long, long ongoing Scholarship by viewing my Scholastic Quality PowerPoints with the Impossible Collapses nicely explained in terms of the most elementary Physics, Chemistry, Engineering, & Math possible, so people without elementary science educations or less that adequate scientific and math backgrounds may be able to understand them.

Also, my interviews with Jim Fetzer were highly Scholastic, more than 10 of them (see "Real Deal" podcast archives, search: Chuck Boldwyn), with the relative science and math explained in very great detail against a visual background of my PowerPoint Posters or Tutorials that were discussed all during each of the shows. The interviews can serve as tutorials for persons of limited but yet wanting,scientific backgrounds, where the viewer can learn immense amounts of science & math if that person truly applies themselves to understanding the presented materials.

If Judy's DEW dreamworld hypothesis turns out to be true and the correct one, then I am going to, indeed, be the Ass who bragged about demolitions, thermate, thermite, shape charges, cutter charges, and mini nukes and claimed that I had provably correct explanations.

If I am "right", then, indeed I sould be alerting everyone so they are aware of a theory that can explain all of Judy's 43 Anomolies, yes, all of them, but you need to review my talk shows and PowerPoints to even see what I am talking about and why I have been long trying to educate the world, even hard ore scientists, about some of my groung-breaking explanations for the Impossible TT Collapses.

 

Please check out my Scholastic contributions to this, maybe, not so super-duper Scholastic 911 Truth site, but we do have some Scholars here, maybe not so scientific, but they constructively contribute in other ways by extensive internet research and investigation. There are about a dozen to maybe 20 contributers to the material contained within this site. Many members are not active contributers but may only view the material on this site. Many of the main contributers have welcomed you and indeed you are welcome...

 

Please check out my research sometime within my lifetime or your lifetime so that you might see the feebleness of the DEW & Hutchison Field Effects as a most improbable explanation of the Impossible Collapses.

To validy criticize my work, you need to validly understand it by looking at it in detail, all aspects, then you should learn why Judy's explanations of her excellent data are ludicrous and  with out thoughtful scientific merit, in my opinion, especially when there is available my much more simple explanation that can be found to be easily believeable and quantitatively verifiable by anyone with an adequate background or anyone who can pick up the background by lisening to and observing my tutorial presentation, all of them.

Evidently Jim Fetzer, respects my research and tutorial work and explanations enough to invite me to present my novel or unique ideas and explanations that could turn out to be correct, or at least very interesting to know about.

If I am arrogant, as you imply via Shakespeare, then I am arogant about finding out the truth my own way and just trying to pass it along for the easily misguided lay persons who believe the Governments propaganda or believe some other fairy tale interpretation of what happened, to bring down the Twin Towers, etc.....

I consider myself to have a lot of self confidence, after all, I am an expert in these elementary scientific principles that apply to the destruction of the Complex. Also, I taught these elementary topics for a living for many years.

My education, training, and career experience in dealing with these scientific topics is as good or better than the vast majority of scientists out there as most scientists are not versitile in all of the required areas of science needed to explain all or near all of the results and be in the ballpark of the correct provable answer for the WTC Complex demolishments or demolitions using various explosive and incendiary  and shape charge devices.

Please review my work so we can, perhaps, maybe, have an intelligent conversation about Dr. Judy's Interpretive work and  911 book.

 

 

Chuck,

I see nothing but bluster, credentialism and appeal to authority in your statement.  No specifics, period.  Years ago my Ph.D. seminar economics professors (U. Wisconsin) told the Ph.D. students: "If you can't explain what your dissertation is about in 25 words or less, you don't know what you're talking about."  Still a sound advice. 

I'm not going to spend a couple of days studying your vast contributions to the science of 9/11, I just want your defense of  your bottomline assertions about thermite/thermate and nukes: "I consider my original research work to be most convincing as do many other people concerning nano Thermate/Thermite and Explosives, maybe even nuclear mini bombs...I have shown that nanoThermate & High Explosives with Shape Charges involved and possibly mini nukes can explain all of her 43 points that she points out that need to get an adequate explanation."  I do not buy your assertions for a minute.  I've assisted in their explosion in a recent, short article with links to my previous work with Dr. Wood: http://nomoregames.net/2012/01/14/collapse-of-the-thermite-thesis/ .  And what evidence about the WTC did Dr. Wood get wrong?  I'm still waiting to hear on that one.

Chuck Boldwyn said:

Morgan,

Some day you should check out my long, long ongoing Scholarship by viewing my Scholastic Quality PowerPoints with the Impossible Collapses nicely explained in terms of the most elementary Physics, Chemistry, Engineering, & Math possible, so people without elementary science educations or less that adequate scientific and math backgrounds may be able to understand them.

Also, my interviews with Jim Fetzer were highly Scholastic, more than 10 of them (see "Real Deal" podcast archives, search: Chuck Boldwyn), with the relative science and math explained in very great detail against a visual background of my PowerPoint Posters or Tutorials that were discussed all during each of the shows. The interviews can serve as tutorials for persons of limited but yet wanting,scientific backgrounds, where the viewer can learn immense amounts of science & math if that person truly applies themselves to understanding the presented materials.

If Judy's DEW dreamworld hypothesis turns out to be true and the correct one, then I am going to, indeed, be the Ass who bragged about demolitions, thermate, thermite, shape charges, cutter charges, and mini nukes and claimed that I had provably correct explanations.

If I am "right", then, indeed I sould be alerting everyone so they are aware of a theory that can explain all of Judy's 43 Anomolies, yes, all of them, but you need to review my talk shows and PowerPoints to even see what I am talking about and why I have been long trying to educate the world, even hard ore scientists, about some of my groung-breaking explanations for the Impossible TT Collapses.

 

Please check out my Scholastic contributions to this, maybe, not so super-duper Scholastic 911 Truth site, but we do have some Scholars here, maybe not so scientific, but they constructively contribute in other ways by extensive internet research and investigation. There are about a dozen to maybe 20 contributers to the material contained within this site. Many members are not active contributers but may only view the material on this site. Many of the main contributers have welcomed you and indeed you are welcome...

 

Please check out my research sometime within my lifetime or your lifetime so that you might see the feebleness of the DEW & Hutchison Field Effects as a most improbable explanation of the Impossible Collapses.

To validy criticize my work, you need to validly understand it by looking at it in detail, all aspects, then you should learn why Judy's explanations of her excellent data are ludicrous and  with out thoughtful scientific merit, in my opinion, especially when there is available my much more simple explanation that can be found to be easily believeable and quantitatively verifiable by anyone with an adequate background or anyone who can pick up the background by lisening to and observing my tutorial presentation, all of them.

Evidently Jim Fetzer, respects my research and tutorial work and explanations enough to invite me to present my novel or unique ideas and explanations that could turn out to be correct, or at least very interesting to know about.

If I am arrogant, as you imply via Shakespeare, then I am arogant about finding out the truth my own way and just trying to pass it along for the easily misguided lay persons who believe the Governments propaganda or believe some other fairy tale interpretation of what happened, to bring down the Twin Towers, etc.....

I consider myself to have a lot of self confidence, after all, I am an expert in these elementary scientific principles that apply to the destruction of the Complex. Also, I taught these elementary topics for a living for many years.

My education, training, and career experience in dealing with these scientific topics is as good or better than the vast majority of scientists out there as most scientists are not versitile in all of the required areas of science needed to explain all or near all of the results and be in the ballpark of the correct provable answer for the WTC Complex demolishments or demolitions using various explosive and incendiary  and shape charge devices.

Please review my work so we can, perhaps, maybe, have an intelligent conversation about Dr. Judy's Interpretive work and  911 book.

 

 



Morgan Reynolds said:

Chuck,

I see nothing but bluster, credentialism and appeal to authority in your statement.  No specifics, period.  Years ago my Ph.D. seminar economics professors (U. Wisconsin) told the Ph.D. students: "If you can't explain what your dissertation is about in 25 words or less, you don't know what you're talking about."  Still a sound advice. 

I'm not going to spend a couple of days studying your vast contributions to the science of 9/11, I just want your defense of  your bottomline assertions about thermite/thermate and nukes: "I consider my original research work to be most convincing as do many other people concerning nano Thermate/Thermite and Explosives, maybe even nuclear mini bombs...I have shown that nanoThermate & High Explosives with Shape Charges involved and possibly mini nukes can explain all of her 43 points that she points out that need to get an adequate explanation."  I do not buy your assertions for a minute.  I've assisted in their explosion in a recent, short article with links to my previous work with Dr. Wood: http://nomoregames.net/2012/01/14/collapse-of-the-thermite-thesis/ .  And what evidence about the WTC did Dr. Wood get wrong?  I'm still waiting to hear on that one.

Chuck Boldwyn said:

Morgan,

Some day you should check out my long, long ongoing Scholarship by viewing my Scholastic Quality PowerPoints with the Impossible Collapses nicely explained in terms of the most elementary Physics, Chemistry, Engineering, & Math possible, so people without elementary science educations or less that adequate scientific and math backgrounds may be able to understand them.

Also, my interviews with Jim Fetzer were highly Scholastic, more than 10 of them (see "Real Deal" podcast archives, search: Chuck Boldwyn), with the relative science and math explained in very great detail against a visual background of my PowerPoint Posters or Tutorials that were discussed all during each of the shows. The interviews can serve as tutorials for persons of limited but yet wanting,scientific backgrounds, where the viewer can learn immense amounts of science & math if that person truly applies themselves to understanding the presented materials.

If Judy's DEW dreamworld hypothesis turns out to be true and the correct one, then I am going to, indeed, be the Ass who bragged about demolitions, thermate, thermite, shape charges, cutter charges, and mini nukes and claimed that I had provably correct explanations.

If I am "right", then, indeed I sould be alerting everyone so they are aware of a theory that can explain all of Judy's 43 Anomolies, yes, all of them, but you need to review my talk shows and PowerPoints to even see what I am talking about and why I have been long trying to educate the world, even hard ore scientists, about some of my groung-breaking explanations for the Impossible TT Collapses.

 

Please check out my Scholastic contributions to this, maybe, not so super-duper Scholastic 911 Truth site, but we do have some Scholars here, maybe not so scientific, but they constructively contribute in other ways by extensive internet research and investigation. There are about a dozen to maybe 20 contributers to the material contained within this site. Many members are not active contributers but may only view the material on this site. Many of the main contributers have welcomed you and indeed you are welcome...

 

Please check out my research sometime within my lifetime or your lifetime so that you might see the feebleness of the DEW & Hutchison Field Effects as a most improbable explanation of the Impossible Collapses.

To validy criticize my work, you need to validly understand it by looking at it in detail, all aspects, then you should learn why Judy's explanations of her excellent data are ludicrous and  with out thoughtful scientific merit, in my opinion, especially when there is available my much more simple explanation that can be found to be easily believeable and quantitatively verifiable by anyone with an adequate background or anyone who can pick up the background by lisening to and observing my tutorial presentation, all of them.

Evidently Jim Fetzer, respects my research and tutorial work and explanations enough to invite me to present my novel or unique ideas and explanations that could turn out to be correct, or at least very interesting to know about.

If I am arrogant, as you imply via Shakespeare, then I am arogant about finding out the truth my own way and just trying to pass it along for the easily misguided lay persons who believe the Governments propaganda or believe some other fairy tale interpretation of what happened, to bring down the Twin Towers, etc.....

I consider myself to have a lot of self confidence, after all, I am an expert in these elementary scientific principles that apply to the destruction of the Complex. Also, I taught these elementary topics for a living for many years.

My education, training, and career experience in dealing with these scientific topics is as good or better than the vast majority of scientists out there as most scientists are not versitile in all of the required areas of science needed to explain all or near all of the results and be in the ballpark of the correct provable answer for the WTC Complex demolishments or demolitions using various explosive and incendiary  and shape charge devices.

Please review my work so we can, perhaps, maybe, have an intelligent conversation about Dr. Judy's Interpretive work and  911 book.

 

 

"I see nothing but bluster, credentialism and appeal to authority in your statement.  No specifics, period.  Years ago my Ph.D. seminar economics professors (U. Wisconsin) told the Ph.D. students: "If you can't explain what your dissertation is about in 25 words or less, you don't know what you're talking about."  Still a sound advice. "


Morgan,


I usually don't side with people, but I feel you are way off base here.  Chuck does have the credentials and has devoted a long study to this.  In my opinion, he is one of the most authoritative voices in 911 truth, and the Vancouver conference will be lucky to have his contribution.


I feel the same way about you, by the way, you have been a powerful and intelligent voice in 911 truth forever.  

Quite a broadside against Wall Street, Bain Capital and Venture capital funds in general.  Yes, there is lots to be said against Wall Street but the real problem lies in Washington, which outrageously bails out bankrupt firms, especially banks.  Ron Paul has it right: the biggest single reform would be to End the Fed.  It's the root of the problem.  Read his book.  Obviously there lots more to do to convert our fascist economy to a free economy. 

But your problem with Romney and Bain, and your one-sided portrayal, runs much deeper.  Do I detect a whiff of class hatred?  Back to economics though, you're upset about what Austrian economist Joseph Schumpeter called the "creative destruction" of capitalism, otherwise known as dynamism.  By contrast, "Here today, here forever" would be your motto.  If that were true, progress would end and rapid decline begin.  Fortunately, new products and production methods still put pressure on older, established products and methods to adapt or die (shutdown really).  The idea of a productive system is to please consumers, not producers who should be somewhat uncomfortable and alert to changes.  Producers should have to adjust to the "whims" of footloose consumers, the sovereign directors of economic activity, the ultimate arbiters of the success and failure of economic ventures. Consumers are the final authorities in a private enterprise, free-market system about who succeeds and who fails.

Further, your across-the-board condemnation of venture capitalists is short-sighted.  For example, to quote from The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics (2008): "Venture capital funds are the economic lifeblood of high-technology companies in industries that are critical to U.S. international competitiveness: computer software, biotechnology, computer engineering, electronics, aerospace, pharmaceuticals, and so forth." 

But enough.  Some arguments are not worth having, given the participants.  This is one of them, especially since we're supposed to discussing 9/11 (I thought). 



Jeannon Kralj said:

 

 

"Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's not a crime. If your actions hurt or harm other people, isn't that generally considered a crime? How did Ken Lay end up in prison, and not any of the current lot? Why did SEC investigate Enron's crash and not Wall Street's? "

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/everything-you-... 

 

I think 911 is false flag terrorism and I think Wall Street's  financial terrorism are subjects much related.

I may not know what the law is specifically and cannot "prove it up" in a court of law, but many of us have been enlightened by Max Keiser and Matt Taibi about Wall Street's ways.  We know greed,  lying, cheating, stealing and murdering when we see it.

We see the total corruption of our legal system and our government as well as all of our societal institutions including banking and finance.

You may find all of that perfectly legal and admirable as "venture captialism."

I do not.

 

 

When someone comes in and kills a company and kills the livelihood of many people and puts them out of their homes and on the streets, they have caused serious and deliberate harm to others.  I know you think that is perfectly legal and not a crime and should be supported because it at least evidence that we have some "venture capital" still in existence.  I do not think it is moral and if it is legal, it should not be.  It is a crime.

 

Companies are supposed to operate to make a profit and be productive and grow, not be entities to be used for rape and pillage and profit by crooks like Romney.

 

 Max Keiser worked many years on Wall Street and knows the "ethics" in operation there.  That is why he got out and expatriated.  I do not personally support Keiser but I do repect his knowledge of finance and markets and the economy.  He has helped many of us see what is really going on and people like Keiser and Matt Taibbi are calling it for what it is - "financial terrorism."

 

Mormon Paul Drockton has written several articles exposing Romney, however, like you,  he thinks Ron Paul is right in supporting Romney's actions with Bain Capital. 

http://www.moneyteachers.org/Romneyintown.htm

"

Romney bankrupted 4 relatively large companies for fun and personal profit. It seems that he really does enjoy firing people. Romney is accused of running "pump and dump" schemes whereby:

 

1. Bain Capital takes over a company

 

2. Romney drastically cuts payroll (fires employees) to raise company profits and starves production.

 

3. Lehman rates the company as a "strong buy" and the stock surges.

 

4. Romney heavily leverages the company with debt to sell his and Bain's stock in the company at a ridiculous profit.

 

5. Once Romney and Bain milk the company for all its worth, the stock price collapses.

 

6. Since Romney ran a Hedge Fund, it is more than likely that he and Bain also made a fortune in Put Options on the company's declining stock.

 

In one example:

 

"KB Toys was purchased and taken private in 2000 by the leveraged buyout firm of Bain Capital for $305 million, Bain announced the purchase on Dec. 8th, 2000. Only $18 million  of the purchase money was cash, the rest was borrowed against the assets of the company. Sixteen months after the buyout, Bain Capital paid itself $85 million in dividends in early 2002. Two years later, due to...   its enormous debt, on January 14, 2004, K·B Toys filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and closed 365 stores.

 

K·B closed 156 stores on November 8, 2007. The Gordon Brothers Group  handled the liquidation of these stores. On February 9, 2009, K·B closed the remaining stores following the second bankruptcy filing in four years. In addition, K·B Toys' website was closed down.

 

The K·B Toys brand and related intangible assets were sold by Streambank LLC to Toys R Us on September 4, 2009 for a reported $2.1 Million." (Source)

 

 

Romney and Bain cost America 16,000 jobs when they took down KB Toys. "

 

This is your loving legal  "venture capitalism" .

 

Other Drockton articles...

http://www.moneyteachers.org/Romneylooter.html

 

Mitt Romney does Ampad

 

"

Once again, "Mitt the Pirate" follows the same old pattern used by the Robber Barons of old.

1. Invest a minimum amount of cash ($5 million).

2. Leverage the purchase by borrowing against company assets and future revenues.

3. Massive job cuts to boost profits and swell the balance sheet  before taking the company public.

4. Pump and then dump the stock on investors that actually believe the ratings agencies that, in my opinion, are in Bain and Romney's pocket.

Here is the history of Ampad Stock:

July 2, 1996:     $15.13 - IPO Price

Jan. 27, 1997:   $26.00 - Peak

Sep 16, 1997:     $13.13 - Stock loses 42% of its value

Nov 1, 1999:       35 cents - Ampad looks to sell assets to reduce debt

Jan 14, 2000:   15 cents - Ampad forced into bankruptcy (Ibid)


In other words, after Bain and Romney sold their stock holdings, making an estimated 45 million dollars, The stock plummets and, more than likely, Romney's Hedge Funds make millions more by shorting the stock (buying Put Options) on the collapsing stock.

The make millions when the stock goes up, and they make millions as the stock plummets. "
 
__________
Mormon Paul Drockton again on Romney
 
 
Paul Drockton: Is Mitt Romney a CIA/Mossad Asset?
 
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Paul Drockton: Did Romney's Bain Plunder Howard Hughes?

 

 

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http://www.nationalmemo.com/article/bain-subsidies-romney

 

Bain Capitalism: Subsidies, Tax Breaks -- And Bust-Outs?

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Mon, 01/16/2012 - 8:47am — 

 

More on Romney's and Bain Capitals lovely "legal" ways.

___________

 

As far as other companies,

NIA (National Inflation Association) has been cited by Peter Schiff as a "pump and dump" scheme.

 

He states this is an old scam and many other companies have run pump and dump schemes.  I cannot name all of the companies, but I believe he, like Keiser and Taibbi, is knowledgeable on the subject.

____________________

hello, Morgan, and i am just delighted that you have joined us here.

i dig your happy looking photo with doggy.

       just wanted to comment, if i may, that our fearless leader has

graciously allowed non scholars and scholars alike to join here.  as

he said in his description of this group, This forum has been created for members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and other dedicated students of these terrible events.
      i bet it must be sometimes aggravating and annoying for those who

actually ARE scholars, most of us here are more than likely not, and

most here never even bother saying a word.

      i for one like to hear what everyone has to say, whether scholar

or 'other dedicated students of these terrible events.'.   

      it's hard enough to get most of the folks here to say one word,

and we can't all be scholars, you know?

      very glad to have you aboard, and sure that we may benefit

from your expertise and knowledge, i hope you will continue on here

and not get too discouraged at how not scholarly some of us is!

 

       (and for anyone reading this who doesn't already know of it,

Morgan's fine website, as i assuming still exists, since i haven't

visited in a while, is nomoregames.net.)

 

       please bear with us in spite of our status, there are a bunch

of real dang swell folks here and we all tend to learn together!

we can probably learn a bit from you, and again, glad to have you aboard!!@

 

                                                                        lovies.  sandy, non scholar.

 

 



Morgan Reynolds said:

This is a scholar's forum?  Where is the scholarship?  What scholars?  Eludes me.  If it's "not too difficult to prove that Bain Capital committed crimes," then make your criminal charges and prove up each element with evidence.  You offer zippo.  And "many other corporations who have been operating the same way as Bain Capital for many years"?  What the H?  "Many others"?  "The same way"?  What the H way is that?  I've got no idea.  Name these companies and offer evidence for their perfidy.  Bring these charges to the attention of the authorities. 

Zero evidence for zero crimes and I'm supposed to swoon with the power of these accusations?  Not.  Your assertions are a nullity, not even up to the level of propaganda which often is persuasive because well-done.  All I see is prejudice: "an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason. "

The Max Keiser rant, intended to be humorous I guess, is proof of ...what?  Government should kill the last elements of venture capitalism?  Mitt Romney?  Gimmee a break.  Stick to 9/11, you know something about that.

Toth, you're way off base here.  The credentials of the messenger don't matter to me, it's about the message, i.e., its truth or falsity.  Keen examples: Gerard Holmgren and Rosalee Grable were short on credentials but long on truth, Steven Earl Jones the reverse. 


Thoth II said:

"I see nothing but bluster, credentialism and appeal to authority in your statement.  No specifics, period.  Years ago my Ph.D. seminar economics professors (U. Wisconsin) told the Ph.D. students: "If you can't explain what your dissertation is about in 25 words or less, you don't know what you're talking about."  Still a sound advice. "


Morgan,


I usually don't side with people, but I feel you are way off base here.  Chuck does have the credentials and has devoted a long study to this.  In my opinion, he is one of the most authoritative voices in 911 truth, and the Vancouver conference will be lucky to have his contribution.


I feel the same way about you, by the way, you have been a powerful and intelligent voice in 911 truth forever.  

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